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re: Would the 2004 Auburn Team go 15-0 and win the CFP?
Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:54 pm to tattoo
Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:54 pm to tattoo
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USC humiliated you the year before in your own stadium with a first time starting QB 23-0. And it was worse than the score indicated.
2012 Iron Bowl
Alabama 49
Auburn 0
2013 Iron Bowl
Auburn 34
Alabama 28
See how much a revenge game and offensive philosophy change can make? Your argument here is invalid.
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:55 pm to AuburnPanic40
The truth is that we will never know if that AU would've beaten USC, but I will say they would clearly have put up a better fight than OU did.
04 Auburn gave the bcs the first major blow and that season was very important to getting us playoffs. Undefeated SEC Champ got left out, then undefeated midmajors such as Boise St and a couple others, and then a Bama/ LSU rematch is what it took to get playoffs.
04 Auburn gave the bcs the first major blow and that season was very important to getting us playoffs. Undefeated SEC Champ got left out, then undefeated midmajors such as Boise St and a couple others, and then a Bama/ LSU rematch is what it took to get playoffs.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 8:01 pm to achamb7
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2012 Iron Bowl
Alabama 49
Auburn 0
2013 Iron Bowl
Auburn 34
Alabama 28
See how much a revenge game and offensive philosophy change can make? Your argument here is invalid.
USC and Auburn largely had the same teams returning from 2003 to 2004. They didn't go through a seismic philosophy shift like 2013 Auburn did
Posted on 7/24/18 at 8:06 pm to VADawg
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USC and Auburn largely had the same teams returning from 2003 to 2004. They didn't go through a seismic philosophy shift like 2013 Auburn did
Steve Ensminger to Al Borges. Offense went from not producing to nearly unstoppable. I’d say that’s a pretty big philosophy shift.
ETA spelling
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 8:28 pm to achamb7
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achamb7
quote:The difference in those 2 games were Gus Malzahn, Nick Marshall and JH vs BDS. Come on man, you can do better than that.
2012 Iron Bowl
Alabama 49
Auburn 0
2013 Iron Bowl
Auburn 34
Alabama 28
See how much a revenge game and offensive philosophy change can make?
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 8:45 pm to tattoo
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difference
And the difference in 2003 vs 2004 is Borges, undefeated, & BCS Championship on the line. Truth is we’ll never know, but you can’t use 1 year to the next as a barometer. That was the point I was making. 2 years, 2 totally different teams and mindsets. 2004 Auburn could have and IMHO would have beaten USC. Tuberville was called Tubershell by fans for a reason or else none of the games except LSU & MAYBE Alabama would have been close. They could have named their score against everyone else they played. Pete Carroll did not have that same philosophy.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 9:11 pm to PEPE
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Auburn deeply romanticizes their undefeated teams even though two of them have huge asterisks.
93 - Sat out the SEC Championship and the National Championship game, what would have been two of the toughest games of the whole year. It's easy not to lose when you don't play.
04 - Dodged a super loaded and playing lights out USC team. Would you have beaten them? Maybe. But probably not. USC would have been a pretty significant favorite.
Sit out all the championship games, claim how easy it would have been to win them. Nice life.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 9:51 pm to VADawg
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They didn't go through a seismic philosophy shift like 2013 Auburn did
Stop posting...if you are this ignorant. The difference in O philosophy from 2003 to 2004 was greater than 2012 to 2013.
Only fools believe USCw was loaded in 2004. Look at the evidence.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:14 pm to Tigerman97
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Common mistake to look at where a player is drafted and not look at their career in the NFL.
No, it isn't.
Lendale White was a guy who got fat and didn't keep himself in shape in the NFL. That has zero to do with him being a dominant running back in college.
Reggie Bush was a 3rd down, pass catching, good but not great back in the NFL. You going to tell me that means he was "that" in college?
Matt Leinart didn't have a big arm and didn't apply himself in the NFL. Does that mean he was a bum in college?
Is Johnny Manziel now a not that great college QB because of what happened to him in the NFL? Aaron Murray was a crappy college QB? Connor Shaw? Do you want me to continue?
Applying NFL careers to guys and determining how good they were in college based off that is ludicrous. And even then, your long analysis shows that at best Auburn had a slight advantage using your metric, not "by far the best roster" as you claimed.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:18 pm to Tigerman97
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Only fools believe USCw was loaded in 2004. Look at the evidence.
They only had two Heisman winners, the RB who has the most career TDs at USC, studs on both lines of scrimmage, and speed for days on defense.
But keep telling yourself they had no talent. Dumbass.
Posted on 7/24/18 at 10:38 pm to VADawg
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studs on both lines of scrimmage
04 AU blows 04 USC away on both sides of the line
Posted on 7/24/18 at 11:07 pm to TIGERSPIKE
Some people here should probably look at the play-by-play review of the AU/VaTech game before popping off. Near the end of the game, despite having a Heisman candidate at QB, Auburn called the run for a stretch of 27 out of 28 plays. It was pretty obvious that Auburn was collecting their W and getting the hell out of there, style points be damned...
Posted on 7/24/18 at 11:17 pm to AuburnPanic40
Travis Daniels was inbounds with a fumble recovery on Auburn’s go ahead score so lsu beat auburn in 2004
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 11:36 pm to AuburnPanic40
Southern Cal would beaten their brains in, so no they weren’t even close to being the best team that year
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:57 am to PEPE
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They barely squeaked by a mediocre Virginia Tech in their bowl game
Not good reasoning. USC played VaTech early that same year and won 24-13 and it was a close game the whole way. Not much difference there.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:05 am to AuburnPanic40
Isn't this the team that beat LSU off of the penalty on the fg try
Posted on 7/25/18 at 8:25 am to AuburnPanic40
you're all wrong.
Technically that 04 USC team didn't exist
Technically that 04 USC team didn't exist
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Lendale White was a guy who got fat and didn't keep himself in shape in the NFL. That has zero to do with him being a dominant running back in college.
Reggie Bush was a 3rd down, pass catching, good but not great back in the NFL. You going to tell me that means he was "that" in college?
Matt Leinart didn't have a big arm and didn't apply himself in the NFL. Does that mean he was a bum in college?
Thanks for the supporting evidence. Players who were over hyped in college were revealed as frauds in the NFL. There was a reason that USCw team struggled with so many inferior opponents. They had similar talent with a better PR department.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:41 pm to Tigerman97
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There was a reason that USCw team struggled with so many inferior opponents.
USC went 37-2 from 2003 to 2005
Here are their results vs Top 10 teams during that 3 year era
@ #6 Auburn - W 23-0
vs #6 Wazzu - W 43-16
vs #4 Michigan - W 28-14
vs #7 Cal - W 23-17
vs #2 Oklahoma - W 55-19
@ #9 Notre Dame - W 34-31
vs #2 Texas - L 41-38
Their 2 losses were to #2 Texas by 3 and @ Cal by 3 in 3 OTs
Boy, they sucked. Totally overrated!
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:53 pm to AuburnPanic40
USC would beat their arse
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