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re: Word is no penalties for UNC...Ole Miss has to
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:32 am to DeltaDoc
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:32 am to DeltaDoc
They were never intending to penalize NC for this. They don’t want anything to do with trying to regulate a schools curriculum. They had to investigate and they did it. This is in no way similar to OM who was paying players and paying recruits. That being said. I still think OM only gets the 1 year ban and some schollies added. That’s still harsh and will punish them. But after a year or two, they can start coming back. I just don’t think the NCAA will secra need to destroy their program now that Freeze is gone. The main issue was out of control boosters working with staff and administration to provide illegal benefits. I think they will feel like their message is sent.
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:36 am to Crowknowsbest
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People don't want to hear it, but the NCAA had a jurisdictional issue in the UNC case. They can't regulate a school's curriculum.
Exactly.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:37 am to Carolina_Girl
Exactly. I think this has to be great news for OM.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:40 am to DeltaDoc
The closest thing to the UNC issue that I can remember is the UGA basketball mess from about 15 years ago. I know UGA got punished, but did they have that same class available for non-athletes?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:45 am to SouthOfHere
I made a post yesterday wherein I shared what I’ve heard...penalties announced as early as next week, but within next three weeks. Accepting the one year bowl ban, 25 schollies taken overall and some other ineffectual stuff.
My personal opinion, the NCAA has issues like Baylor before them, Louisville basketball...basketball in general, etc. They also know that they don’t know what will come of the FBI stuff and if it will spread to football. They recognize that schools of note are cheating like crazy right now too (Alabama). I think the NCAA is hedging bets with UNC and OM because much bigger stuff is to come.
My personal opinion, the NCAA has issues like Baylor before them, Louisville basketball...basketball in general, etc. They also know that they don’t know what will come of the FBI stuff and if it will spread to football. They recognize that schools of note are cheating like crazy right now too (Alabama). I think the NCAA is hedging bets with UNC and OM because much bigger stuff is to come.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:50 am to Bankshot
I thought the classes were open for all
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:51 am to Bankshot
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The closest thing to the UNC issue that I can remember is the UGA basketball mess from about 15 years ago. I know UGA got punished, but did they have that same class available for non-athletes?
It doesn't matter. UNC's intent was to keep athletes qualified. They were just smart enough to offer the fake classes to the whole student body. Institutional control, indeed. The Carolina way.
The parents of the children who were victimized by UNC's intentional fraud should file a class action suit. 20 years of deceit and the NCAA does nothing.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:51 am to DeltaDoc
How many level 1 violations did UNC have? Did they also commit violations WHILE being investigated? Did they claim the HC of program being investigated could t possibly have allowed/known of violations bc of his moral standard only to have to fire said coach for lying and lacking morals? Did UNC also get hit with failure to monitor, lack of institutional control, and failure to meet standard of exemplary cooperation?
If the answer is no to all of those questions, then the cases have zero in common bc with OM the answer is yes for all of the above.
If the answer is no to all of those questions, then the cases have zero in common bc with OM the answer is yes for all of the above.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:55 am to TheCaterpillar
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They had that ridiculous class where they didn't have to show up and wrote a few sentences with poor grammar as their final and all got A's?
No. They had an entire fake degree program and created an academic department to go with it. This wasn't a crip course for athletes. This was something that completely undermines the academic credibility of a top tier public school.
This is worse to me than NCAA violations.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 10:13 am to DeltaDoc
"...penalties announced as early as next week, but within next three weeks. Accepting the one year bowl ban, 25 schollies taken overall and some other ineffectual stuff."
Delta, you may be right but I heard anywhere from accepting self imposed sanctions to 21 overall scholarships. Ole Miss has already reduced eleven, so that would leave on ten more reductions to go. Also, from what I'm hearing, the bowl ban will only be the one year Ole Miss has self imposed. Also, due to the COI hearing, there is NCAA smoke coming out of Starkville. Of course, it's all rumor and nobody really knows the exact details. Ole Miss is feeling confident that the program is not going to get hammered. We'll see.
Delta, you may be right but I heard anywhere from accepting self imposed sanctions to 21 overall scholarships. Ole Miss has already reduced eleven, so that would leave on ten more reductions to go. Also, from what I'm hearing, the bowl ban will only be the one year Ole Miss has self imposed. Also, due to the COI hearing, there is NCAA smoke coming out of Starkville. Of course, it's all rumor and nobody really knows the exact details. Ole Miss is feeling confident that the program is not going to get hammered. We'll see.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 10:22 am to Kentucker
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UNC's intent was to keep athletes qualified.
Oh, I know that. I was just trying to remember the reason UGA got in trouble for the same type of issue.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 10:58 am to Evolved Simian
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No. They had an entire fake degree program and created an academic department to go with it. This wasn't a crip course for athletes. This was something that completely undermines the academic credibility of a top tier public school.
The degrees and classes weren't techincally fake. People graduated with them.
And non-athletes could take them.
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This is worse to me than NCAA violations.
Morally, yes. But it is not an NCAA violation. They can't tell schools what they can and cannot offer in their curriculum.
Just like Penn St. diddling little boys isn't an NCAA violation. Its morally beyond reprehensible but it is not against NCAA rules.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
I may be wrong but the students in these classes
we're almost entirely athletes and were steered
to take these courses not only by academic advisors but coaching assistants. . The NCAA
claims they are there to help student athletes
so to say they have no recourse seems wrong.
Certainly in all the NCAA requirements is a requirement to provide an education and not just a piece of paper.
we're almost entirely athletes and were steered
to take these courses not only by academic advisors but coaching assistants. . The NCAA
claims they are there to help student athletes
so to say they have no recourse seems wrong.
Certainly in all the NCAA requirements is a requirement to provide an education and not just a piece of paper.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Just like Penn St. diddling little boys isn't an NCAA violation. Its morally beyond reprehensible but it is not against NCAA rules.
And yet the NCAA blasted Penn State, the institution, as they should have. UNC, the institution, should have been punished, too.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 2:57 pm to Evolved Simian
i agree it is worse... the federal government should put a halt on any federal research grant moneys and give them to other universities. That will clean it up real quick
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:51 pm to Dave1999
3100 students (incl athletes) took the courses.
The athletic tutors/advisors told the athletes to take these classes.
The athletic tutors/advisors told the athletes to take these classes.
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