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Posted on 8/11/12 at 2:05 am to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 8/11/12 at 2:05 am to Tuscaloosa
Well I would assume his coaches all knew his grades and how there was a chance he wouldn't qualify or be eligible. If they were in on grades being fixed then I'm sure they wouldn't draw attention to it. Now if they are under the impression he isn't gonna qualify and suddenly he is eligible, then I'm sure red flags went up everywhere with the coaching staff.
I doubt a GC would give into pressure from an outside influence like a coach or booster. What loyalty would they have to you, to put your neck on the line. I'm betting his mom probably pulled at the heart strings of the GC and it was changed.
I doubt a GC would give into pressure from an outside influence like a coach or booster. What loyalty would they have to you, to put your neck on the line. I'm betting his mom probably pulled at the heart strings of the GC and it was changed.
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 2:08 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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I doubt a GC would give into pressure from an outside influence like a coach or booster.
I don't know... if I worked as a teacher or a GC - making as little money as they do - and one of Bama's coaches approached me and asked me to "help him out", I'd have trouble saying no. But maybe I'm just a terrible person
FWIW, this kind of stuff happens all the time.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 2:12 am to Tuscaloosa
Think of it this way. How much would someone half to offer you to do something that would risk you losing your job? Would you be more willing to take that risk with someone you didn't know, or someone you probably were more familiar with?
Posted on 8/11/12 at 3:05 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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Would you be more willing to take that risk with someone you didn't know, or someone you probably were more familiar with?
What are you trying to say?
I think we'll hear more in the days to come. The fact they immediately resigned says something.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 4:06 am to LOYALBAMA
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The fact they immediately resigned says something.
Well I doubt they had much hope of staying employed. Got out before the school could officially give them the axe.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 6:51 am to AA7
For the late night folks talking about attrition, Auburn can only sign 18 in next class without more attrition. Very similar to what other schools have to do, we will have to process more players.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 7:13 am to allin2010
Well I doubt they had much hope of staying employed. Got out before the school could officially give them the axe.
In Tennessee doesn't the resignation cost you a portion of your retirement if you don't sign the retirement before the resignation? This proved costly for that counselor plus the possibility of felony charges in Alabama.
Petrino to Auburn before this time next year.
In Tennessee doesn't the resignation cost you a portion of your retirement if you don't sign the retirement before the resignation? This proved costly for that counselor plus the possibility of felony charges in Alabama.
Petrino to Auburn before this time next year.
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/11/12 at 7:46 am to ALLIN
Auburn Spin: look at the coaches and their relationship with TennStud as the NCAA snitch and originally requested the help with grades. Auburn was unaware and Jovon robinson did not know. The GC is an ole miss grad.
Emails sent to guidance counselors, head coach Keith Spann, assistant football coach Michael Collins and the school principal, Michael Kyle, were not returned.
A phone number listed for Spann was disconnected.
What Did the Athlete Know?
It might be hard to stomach another Auburn eligibility issue resting on what an athlete knew, but it applies here. The NCAA could end up in one of three places:
• Evidence that Robinson knew or was active in falsifying his transcripts.
• Evidence that Robinson did not know.
• No evidence or inconclusive evidence either way.
The first makes sense. As for the second, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to prove you did not know something. But you can show some evidence. For instance, if Robinson asked his counselor what extra work he should do or suspected he was not going to be eligible and wanted to know what he needed to do to fix the situation. Or if the counselor had told Robinson for a long time that he would be fine.
What Did Auburn Know?
What Auburn knew should not have too much impact on Robinson’s eligibility, unless Auburn was how Robinson knew his transcripts were being falsified. Rather, what Auburn knew or did will mostly impact Auburn.
Pressuring a high school guidance counselor would be a serious charge for the university. It would be almost guaranteed to result in individuals being fired and charged with ethical conduct violations, and would likely be a major violation for Auburn as well. Simply knowing it will happen and allowing it would be almost as bad. But those violations take time to process and are secondary to determining Robinson’s eligibility as soon as possible.
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Emails sent to guidance counselors, head coach Keith Spann, assistant football coach Michael Collins and the school principal, Michael Kyle, were not returned.
A phone number listed for Spann was disconnected.
What Did the Athlete Know?
It might be hard to stomach another Auburn eligibility issue resting on what an athlete knew, but it applies here. The NCAA could end up in one of three places:
• Evidence that Robinson knew or was active in falsifying his transcripts.
• Evidence that Robinson did not know.
• No evidence or inconclusive evidence either way.
The first makes sense. As for the second, it is very difficult, if not impossible, to prove you did not know something. But you can show some evidence. For instance, if Robinson asked his counselor what extra work he should do or suspected he was not going to be eligible and wanted to know what he needed to do to fix the situation. Or if the counselor had told Robinson for a long time that he would be fine.
What Did Auburn Know?
What Auburn knew should not have too much impact on Robinson’s eligibility, unless Auburn was how Robinson knew his transcripts were being falsified. Rather, what Auburn knew or did will mostly impact Auburn.
Pressuring a high school guidance counselor would be a serious charge for the university. It would be almost guaranteed to result in individuals being fired and charged with ethical conduct violations, and would likely be a major violation for Auburn as well. Simply knowing it will happen and allowing it would be almost as bad. But those violations take time to process and are secondary to determining Robinson’s eligibility as soon as possible.
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Posted on 8/11/12 at 7:49 am to allin2010
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Trovon
Posted on 8/11/12 at 8:56 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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My mom and dad did everything they could from meeting with principals, the school board, teachers and counselors, but to no avail.
Click here for explanation
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:11 am to allin2010
I want to believe 
This looks bad, but its not over yet.
This looks bad, but its not over yet.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:14 am to Tuscaloosa
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I don't know... if I worked as a teacher or a GC - making as little money as they do - and one of Bama's coaches approached me and asked me to "help him out", I'd have trouble saying no. But maybe I'm just a terrible person
FWIW, this kind of stuff happens all the time.
Making as little money as they do?
I don't know about Mississippi, but Alabama can't pay too much more. My mother has been a GC for ten years, and she makes $60k/year. That's definitely not a beanie-weanies salary especially if there's a spouse in the home that works.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:16 am to townhallsavoy
We live in the most Knee-jerk society....Jesus Christ. 
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:22 am to Tuscaloosa
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Have we figured out exactly how this got found out? Who discovered the fact that the transcript had been messed with?
Read an article last night and I was left with the impression it was the NCAA who notified the HS of the grade issue.
IMO, this has nothing to do with Auburn and the only person who will be impacted by all this will be the GC. jmo
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:22 am to townhallsavoy
That's why I asked how much would someone have to offer you to make it worth risking your job and career. Would you be more willing to do it for someone you knew or didn't know?
My gut says his mom is probably the reason it was changed.
My gut says his mom is probably the reason it was changed.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:33 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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My gut says his mom is probably the reason it was changed.
Possible.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:49 am to allin2010
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A phone number listed for Spann was disconnected.
What Did the Athlete Know?
It might be hard to stomach another Auburn eligibility issue resting on what an athlete knew, but it applies here. The NCAA could end up in one of three places:
• Evidence that Robinson knew or was active in falsifying his transcripts.
• Evidence that Robinson did not know.
• No evidence or inconclusive evidence either way.
This really doesn't even matter as far as Robinson's eligibility is concerned. If his transcripts were altered to make him eligible, then it's pretty clear that at the very least, he should be ineligible for this season. Right
Posted on 8/11/12 at 9:54 am to BamaELCo
Football aside, if his grades were changed then he cant even be in school.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 10:00 am to parkjas2001
The more info that comes out on this, the more this looks like TennStud was just trying to get some attention.
I also agree, if he got his grades changed then he shouldn't be eligible.
I also agree, if he got his grades changed then he shouldn't be eligible.
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