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re: Will we see modified malzahn offenses springing up in SEC next year
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:10 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:10 pm to Irons Puppet
The two years he's dominated at AU - he's had a player that could convert about every 3rd and short.
We remember Cam but Mason got a first down on 3rd and 1,2,3- (24 out of 28 attempts) - that is pretty much automatic. Without a go to player on 3rd down - Gus has to be more aggressive which can backfire against a good defense.
If teams want to copy Gus - find someone that get you 3rd and short and you may be on to something.
We remember Cam but Mason got a first down on 3rd and 1,2,3- (24 out of 28 attempts) - that is pretty much automatic. Without a go to player on 3rd down - Gus has to be more aggressive which can backfire against a good defense.
If teams want to copy Gus - find someone that get you 3rd and short and you may be on to something.
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:11 pm to LSU1NSEC
I would like to see a Blake Sims zone read with Henry. Just a second. Just to see how it feels.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:11 pm to AUX3
Experienced OL required.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:14 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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what exactly a Malzahn offense is?
up-tempo Delaware Wing-T with some spread formations
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:23 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Can an AU fan describe concisely what exactly a Malzahn offense is?
The Malzahn offense run by Auburn is a flavor of the old Delaware Wing T. It features a limited number of basic formations with multiple reads that then determine the actual play based on real time reads of the defense reaction.
Gus Malzahn is gifted in his ability to tailor the offensive basic scheme to the talents of his QB. in the case of a quarterback with serious running skills, you see lots of read option (nick marshall). in other cases where the QB is more pass oriented, the game plan features more pass (see Tulsa). Then there are the once in a life time cases when you have a Cam Newton who is a freak who can do it all. That = Natty.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:23 pm to americanrealism
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up-tempo Delaware Wing-T with some spread formations
accurate..but Gus`s offense is always evolving, hard to label because it`s a hybrid of different schemes. As teams prepare for what he`s done the previous year or even the previous game, it`s changed. Blocking schemes become different, even though the base plays look the same. It`s why it`s so hard to defend.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:35 pm to LSU1NSEC
I think he will continue to have success by changing formations and using motion to throw off the defense.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 9:36 pm to fontell
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Make you cover the entire field wide and deep, and have your defensive backs angrily cursing each other out
This is the key to it all. Gus designs his offense to play to the strengths of his players while making a defense cover as much ground as possible. It also requires a defense to play impeccable man-assignment football, but Gus will find the mismatch and exploit it.
Most "gimmick" offenses get figured out, but I'm not sure Gus's offense qualifies as a gimmick. In fact, I'd say it's definitely not because gimmick offenses rely on a "trick". Gus uses lots of motions and read option elements, but they aren't "tricks," just the method he used this year to force defenses to cover every player on the field. It's incredibly simple, but equally hard to stop.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:11 pm to AUX3
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The two years he's dominated at AU - he's had a player that could convert about every 3rd and short. We remember Cam but Mason got a first down on 3rd and 1,2,3- (24 out of 28 attempts) - that is pretty much automatic. Without a go to player on 3rd down - Gus has to be more aggressive which can backfire against a good defense. If teams want to copy Gus - find someone that get you 3rd and short and you may be on to something.
He will have at least two players that will get him that 3rd and short. What got AU in those situations last year was 1st down. If the Offense is getting 5+ yards on first down it is unstopable. Another factor is when AU knows that they are in a 4 down situation at the beginning of the drive (not just going for it on 4th down), the offense is hard to stop.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:14 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Can an AU fan describe concisely what exactly a Malzahn offense is?
Yards, points and wins.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:24 pm to piggidyphish
Alabama fans only seem to be able to remember this past season when describing Malzahns's offense.
tell me someone else knows enough Alabama fans to see the irony in them only remembering the previous season
tell me someone else knows enough Alabama fans to see the irony in them only remembering the previous season
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:27 pm to Kneehigh
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It changes year to year based on personnel
Bull fricking shite...
goddamn kneehigh, you are really fricking dumb
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:29 pm to nc14
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Experienced OL required.
this year we started 1 FR, 2 SOs, 2 JRs
ETA meaning we weren't too experienced this year, and we will be steady for the foreseeable future with the youth we have now and the talent we've been bringing in
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 1/27/14 at 10:39 pm to beaver
Shotgun triple option with built in coverage reads so pitchman becomes pass option. Only difference is reading the DB's changes who pass option is on playside.
He uses base defensive schemes against them over and over and forces you to run an unconventional defense compared to your norm to slow it down.
Watch his videos about how he reads Bama's front and how he uses it to his advantage. Very interesting perspective on offense.
He uses base defensive schemes against them over and over and forces you to run an unconventional defense compared to your norm to slow it down.
Watch his videos about how he reads Bama's front and how he uses it to his advantage. Very interesting perspective on offense.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:51 pm to Mizzou to my Lou
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I think it is more likely SEC defenses catch up to this scheme. Monkey see Monkey do you are correct. Offensive production should be going way down this year in the SEC though.
This.
It will breed more mobile and diverse defensive schemes to counter it, more athletic front D lines and inside linebackers, and more zone defense than ever before. You will see better conditioned defenses in the next 2-3 years as more SEC teams, especially ones with historically less size and talent on offense, but with a couple great offensive producers, seek to incorporate the "Malzahn" offense into their play calling.
One thing Malzahn is good at, though, is adapting to his players' abilities. Each year, depending on the returning players, the opposing side will have to adjust its defense based on what offensive package Malzahn has that year. One thing we saw this year was the week-to-week improvement of the Auburn offense, while SEC defenses seemed static in their attempts to stop Auburn. As Auburn improved, Malzahn ran a more diverse package of the HUNH, and SEC defenses struggled to keep up.
In the end, there will eventually be parity on offense and defense. Build a better mouse trap...
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 12:41 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:26 am to oklahogjr
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You simply must win on first and second down then be disciplined on third
No fricking shite. That's the key to beating any offense.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:33 am to Kneehigh
Did you even watch the Auburn offense in 2009? It looked absolutely nothing like this years.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 6:46 am to Toby Flenderson
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tell me someone else knows enough Alabama fans to see the irony in them only remembering the previous season
Bandwagoning during or after the 2011 season and not experiencing or remembering the 2009 and 2010 Iron Bowls?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:05 am to MrsGarrison
It took the SEC 7 years to catch up to Steve Spurrier's Offense and that was easier to defend then what Gus's is running. In Gus's Offense if you stop a element, he will go to something else.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:59 am to Irons Puppet
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It took the SEC 7 years to catch up to Steve Spurrier's Offense and that was easier to defend then what Gus's is running. In Gus's Offense if you stop a element, he will go to something else.
Agreed.
On another note, whose puppet are you?
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