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Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:54 pm to JamalMurry27
The only way I see this happening is if you have major, injury-related attrition repeatedly due to the increased number of playoff teams.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:01 pm to BigScoreboard
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To me, "watered down" means that the championship means less.
If 3 loss teams make the playoffs and one wins because they get hot....does it man as much as if fewer teams make the playoffs, and only the best teams get a shot at it?
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And to me, the more subjective it is, the less meaning it has. Playing the games gives it meaning. Granted, more games mean more blowouts. But more games also mean the right teams are advancing on the field instead of on coaches' and sportswriters' computers. I'd like to see a 16 or 32 team playoff like the Division I-AA Championship Series.
I get your point. I still think fewer teams is better. Like I have said, I think I would have been alright with 6 teams. Who knows? After a few years of a 12 team playoff I might be won over.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:02 pm to jonnyanony
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Let me try to figure out how surviving 11 other of the best college football teams will feel watered down compared to current and previous systems ...
Nope.
So, kind of like Alabama in 2020?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:04 pm to JamalMurry27
I am your only upvote, but I don't know about "watered down" being the best way to describe it.
It's definitely getting to be more about the team who gets hot at the right time and there is much less emphasis on the regular season.
However, the national champion is going to have played 17 games minimum, while 18 is possible.
It's definitely getting to be more about the team who gets hot at the right time and there is much less emphasis on the regular season.
However, the national champion is going to have played 17 games minimum, while 18 is possible.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:06 pm to JamalMurry27
I guess we're not supposed to agree with OP, but I agree with OP.
The Arizona Diamondbacks went 82-80 last season and made the World Series. How often does the top overall seed in the MLB playoffs win the World Series?
It's football and goofy shite happens sometimes. Got a sneak peak of how the playoffs will feel in last year's SECCG, which was basically a play-in game. The inferior underdog team won and then turned around and lost to frigging Michigan.
The Arizona Diamondbacks went 82-80 last season and made the World Series. How often does the top overall seed in the MLB playoffs win the World Series?
It's football and goofy shite happens sometimes. Got a sneak peak of how the playoffs will feel in last year's SECCG, which was basically a play-in game. The inferior underdog team won and then turned around and lost to frigging Michigan.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:09 pm to DawgsLife
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You do know that a #23 ranked Liberty would have made it over a 10-2 Oklahoma last year, right?
In 2022 a 10-2 Tulane would have gone over a10-2 Washington.
In 2021 an 11-2 Houston would have made it in over a10-2 Michigan State.
In 2019 a 12-1 Memphis would have gone over a 9-3 Auburn.
I have no problem with this. Underdog stories are good for the health of the sport. The Boise State/Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl is one of the most memorable and iconic games in college football history.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:30 pm to RollTide1987
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Getting into the tournament with a 9-3 or 10-2 record is hardly deserved IMHO.
This is how all sports work tho.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:54 pm to RollTide1987
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Getting into the tournament with a 9-3 or 10-2 record is hardly deserved IMHO.
Under the old system, I saw a team get in the Tourney when they didn't win their conf., division, or even own state.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:58 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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I have no problem with this. Underdog stories are good for the health of the sport.
Yes. It did wonders when BYU won it all in 1984.
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The Boise State/Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl is one of the most memorable and iconic games in college football history.
You had to go back to 2007 to find a good game in that vein? Says all you need to know. If we go to this system we can have a really good game every 17 years and counting! Not sure it is a compelling argument.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:07 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Boise State/Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl is one of the most memorable and iconic games in college football history.
A disinterested team vs a team throwing out the kitchen sink for a W.
Historical match-up. A true classic. Lol
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:12 pm to JamalMurry27
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closer and closer to a who gets hot tournament and not season long award....
I don't really feel that way.
If you look at the NCAA basketball tournament, while there are upsets the first week, the winner of the title is usually one of the stronger teams in the field. It's rare to see underdogs make the final four that often, let alone win a title.
In the history of the NCAA tournament we had one 8 seed win the title. That's the lowest seeded champion, That's the equivalent of a 6 seed winning the football tournament.
There have also been 1 7-seed, 1 6-seed, 2 4-seeds, 4 3-seeds, 5 2-seeds and 24 1-seeds win the title.
I'd wager we'll see one of the top 4 seeds (by poll ranking, not tourney seeding where conference champs get a bye) win the football title 90% of the time.
This post was edited on 7/21/24 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:16 pm to koreandawg
It’s not stopping at 12
It will be 16 in five years
It will be 16 in five years
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:24 pm to JamalMurry27
quote:Its so much worse now than season where teams play one or no good teams and make the NC. It feels so watered down to watch a team that everyone thought was great get blew out instead of being handed a trophy for playing no one.
Will The National Champion feel watered down now?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 7:33 pm to Joe Dimaggio
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There were probably some years where the 3rd ranked team in final poll was probably the best team in the country, and would have beaten the teams that played in the title game
But Georgia lost to Alabama, how were they somehow good enough to be in the NC game?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 9:15 pm to RollTide1987
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Getting into the tournament with a 9-3 or 10-2 record is hardly deserved IMHO.
Auburn would’ve gotten into the 4 team playoff in 2017 with an 11-2 record if they beat Georgia in Atlanta.
I think a 10-2/ 9-3 record in the SEC is justified as a top 12 team in the country. And when it’s all said and done, the team would be 14-2 or 13-3 if they won the tournament. Which seems pretty deserving.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 1:35 am to DawgsLife
It doesn't matter. If you want to spend your time arguing who is the 12th best team in the country, go right ahead.
Not many are gonna really care.
Not many are gonna really care.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:21 am to Rabern57
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Its so much worse now than season where teams play one or no good teams and make the NC. It feels so watered down to watch a team that everyone thought was great get blew out instead of being handed a trophy for playing no one.
Do you have an example of this happening? I'm trying to think. I know some teams were perceived to have played no one. I mean, before the season last year people were talking about the weak schedule Georgia was playing. (Of course, part of that was because the SEC canceled the Oklahoma game)
Even at that Georgia played 3 top 25 teams in the regular season, with two of those teams finishing in the top 10. Then you can add #5 Alabama in the SECCG and #6 FSU in the bowl game and Georgia finished by playing 4 top 10 teams. (Rankings were end of year rankings)
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:27 am to koreandawg
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It doesn't matter. If you want to spend your time arguing who is the 12th best team in the country, go right ahead.
Not many are gonna really care.
I mean, the #12 team will be a G5 team. The question several posters were making was would there be any 3 loss teams. Most years there will be 1-3 of them. But if the goal of moving to a 12 team playoff was to have better match ups, I don't see how that accomplishes that. With a blow out happening almost every year in a 4 team playoff, adding 8 weaker teams is not going to suddenly give better games.
But your point is correct. Nobody will care about the #7-12 teams, because they will get blown out more often than not. When that happens, and then the #4-8 teams get blown out by 1-3 people will realize that this was a mistake and stop watching.
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My point is G5 teams and lower ranked (7-12) teams will not be ready for a motivated team in the playoffs.
Playing a playoff Alabama team was totally different than playing them in a playoff game. Same for playing Georgia or Ohio State. (Just ask TCU) The intensity level goes way up, and the best teams play at their best. G5 and weaker teams with weaker rosters will not be able to hang with better teams....as a whole. There may be the occasional upset, but they will not be a common thing.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 6:32 am
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:34 am to Joe Dimaggio
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Let me translate the OP for y'all.
Bama had a nice run under Saban, but now he is gone.
Bama isn't going to win another title for a long time.
That makes it official in Idiotville.
A 12-team playoff creates much more attrition each round and will vastly favor the more talented teams. The longer the playoff run, the more depth will play a major factor. Super teams like BAMA, Georgia, and Ohio State, with their A-list personnel, the longer they go, the more dangerous they become.
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