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Why would Gus take a job like Vandy?
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:13 am
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:13 am
Seriously. It's the 12th best job in the SEC, you can't recruit with the big boys because of their strict academic policy and it's in Nashville. A city where college football ranks about #10 on the list of things to give a shite about. I really expected him to be a bigger fish than that. 
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Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:15 am to LSUdm21
Money, chance to build a program. The boosters at vandy have recently taken an interest at football which means that lots of money would be poured into it. 12th best job in the SEC is better than most non-aq teams.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:17 am to LSUdm21
My personal take:
I totally agree. It does not seem like that great a job. If he decides to stay at Auburn I think that will be a strong indication that the blue tuna thread is a bunch of bs. If he leaves.....not a good sign.
I totally agree. It does not seem like that great a job. If he decides to stay at Auburn I think that will be a strong indication that the blue tuna thread is a bunch of bs. If he leaves.....not a good sign.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:18 am to LSUdm21
the money was too much---LOL!
The heat is coming no use waiting for the roof to come down before jutting out. Camie goes pro next!! Then hmmmmmmm...........
The heat is coming no use waiting for the roof to come down before jutting out. Camie goes pro next!! Then hmmmmmmm...........
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:19 am to Third Degrre Bern
3 Million Dollars anyone?
If you are a coach, you have to have a burning desire to build a program, it is called, The Challenge!
If you are a coach, you have to have a burning desire to build a program, it is called, The Challenge!
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:22 am to Nissanmaxima
He should take it because it is (1) an SEC school that is at the same time a stepping stone to greater jobs with relatively little pressure to anything other than go to a bowl; (2) his stock will never be higher...i.e., it is quite amazing what having perhaps the best player in generations at QB, and (3) he is being offered life-altering, generational money.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:28 am to DeltaDoc
1. Money was nice
2. Low expectations
3. If you turn the corner even a little, you're a hero
4. Job security...(see #2)
2. Low expectations
3. If you turn the corner even a little, you're a hero
4. Job security...(see #2)
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:29 am to LSUdm21
quote:$$$$$
Why would Gus take a job like Vandy?
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:30 am to Wildcat
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1. Money was nice
2. Low expectations
3. If you turn the corner even a little, you're a hero
4. Job security...(see #2)
If Vandy is willing to throw around $3 million I'd think their expectations would go up. Just doesn't seem like the type of job someone like him would be interested in.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:30 am to oklahogjr
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Money, chance to build a program. The boosters at vandy have recently taken an interest at football which means that lots of money would be poured into it. 12th best job in the SEC is better than most non-aq teams.
This. Vandy went after the HC at Navy thinking a tripple option style offense would be better and perform better but he turned down their offer, he's probably one of the better paid HC's in football truth be told. Gus is being offered a lot of power and control over the football program at Vandy plus several promises appear to have been met in the facilities and upgrades to facilities aspect. This is not a bad job honestly, it is not one you take for a few years then leave this is a long term project.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:30 am to I Love Bama
It still amazes me the folks that just like to dump on Vandy. But I do understand because I was one of them until I moved to Nashville 5 years ago. Vandy is a gold mine similar to Stanford but better. Why? It has academics on it's side like Stanford. It's in Nashville Tennessee which is loaded with money and star power. Gus see's a huge underdog/feel good story with lots of Media Exposure if he can get the momentum moving in the right direction. The delay with his contract is Gus getting Vandy's commitment in writing for all the money he needs for coaches and facility upgrades. If he takes the job then look out. The Vandy he builds will be like no other SEC school. It will be a unique success story backed with Country Music Stars and Vanderbilt Alumni keeping it going. If Vandy ponies up I predict Vandy will be in the mix for the SEC East in 3 or 4 years. They have a long way to go and if it is ever going to happen now is the time.
Now if you still don't believe me then just look at their Basketball and Baseball programs. They both now compete for conference championships. They don't dominate but they can beat every team on any given day. Now Vandy is committing to do the same with football.
Besides, Nashville is one of the best live-able cities in the U.S.
If you don't agree then I'm guessing you've never spend any time in Nashville.
Now if you still don't believe me then just look at their Basketball and Baseball programs. They both now compete for conference championships. They don't dominate but they can beat every team on any given day. Now Vandy is committing to do the same with football.
Besides, Nashville is one of the best live-able cities in the U.S.
If you don't agree then I'm guessing you've never spend any time in Nashville.
This post was edited on 12/13/10 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:31 am to rangers911
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This. Vandy went after the HC at Navy thinking a tripple option style offense would be better and perform better but he turned down their offer, he's probably one of the better paid HC's in football truth be told. Gus is being offered a lot of power and control over the football program at Vandy plus several promises appear to have been met in the facilities and upgrades to facilities aspect. This is not a bad job honestly, it is not one you take for a few years then leave this is a long term project.
Unless Vandy lowers their admission standards it will always be a tough place to recruit.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:33 am to oklahogjr
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12th best job in the SEC is better than most non-aq teams.
I'm not so sure about that. The main reason the Vandy job sucks so much is because they don't have an athletic department. The coaches have to deal directly with academic administrators on football matters. Not exactly an ideal situation. People who compare Vandy to Stanford or Northwestern tend to ignore that fact. I suppose it is possible that they will create one due to bringing Malzhan in though. Or at least a go between office for the football program so the coaches themselves don't have to deal with the red tape.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:33 am to LSUdm21
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Unless Vandy lowers their admission standards it will always be a tough place to recruit.
Stanford, and a bunch of other high end schools show that it can be done, the trick maybe finding his niche of recruits.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:35 am to Robot Santa
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I'm not so sure about that. The main reason the Vandy job sucks so much is because they don't have an athletic department. The coaches have to deal directly with academic administrators on football matters. Not exactly an ideal situation. People who compare Vandy to Stanford or Northwestern tend to ignore that fact. I suppose it is possible that they will create one due to bringing Malzhan in though. Or at least a go between office for the football program so the coaches themselves don't have to deal with the red tape.
For the right coach this can be a huge advantage. For the wrong coach this can be a huge negative.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:37 am to LSUdm21
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Unless Vandy lowers their admission standards it will always be a tough place to recruit.
Vandy has agreed to lower it on a per athlete basis, set up some sort of panel to handle this.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:38 am to LSUdm21
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If Vandy is willing to throw around $3 million I'd think their expectations would go up. Just doesn't seem like the type of job someone like him would be interested in.
How do people on the rant and posters on other forums in general know what AD's are looking for? Simply because he is a great offensive coordinator does not necessarily mean that he'll be a great head coach.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:39 am to TenTex
This would fill the void in his resume: Head Coaching Experience.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:45 am to TenTex
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For the right coach this can be a huge advantage. For the wrong coach this can be a huge negative.
Please explain. Just the coaching, recruiting, and PR (TV and radio appearances/press conferences) aspects of running a college program require a ton of work and cause all kinds of stress. I don't see how even a workaholic like Saban could basically take on the responsibilities of being his own Athletics Director in addition to that.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 8:46 am to rangers911
Vandy has had the option , or ability to be more selective for years. Depending on what group has more "hand" (Seinfeld referece 
) at the time. Vandy got some middle Tennessee boys in the early 80's that wouldn't normally be accepted to VU. It was no coincidence that Vandy had some good teams in the early 80's ,either.
But when the academians throw their weight around,it can be ugly.Believe it or not in 1995 the #1 basketball recruit Ron Mercer wanted to go to Vandy. He was from metro Nashville and really close to Vandy's Drew Maddux and his dad,former Vandy player Ray Maddux who had coached them in AAU.
Not only did Vandy not admit him, they leaked the denial to the afternoon paper at the time, the Nashville Banner before letting coach Jan van Breda Kolff know the decision.
One thing Vandy needs to do is may hay with the acquisiton they made of Peabody College in the late 70's. It was a 'teacher's college' but there is no avenue for coaching or other ways for an athlete to get a degree leaning towards coaching or sports .
) at the time. Vandy got some middle Tennessee boys in the early 80's that wouldn't normally be accepted to VU. It was no coincidence that Vandy had some good teams in the early 80's ,either. But when the academians throw their weight around,it can be ugly.Believe it or not in 1995 the #1 basketball recruit Ron Mercer wanted to go to Vandy. He was from metro Nashville and really close to Vandy's Drew Maddux and his dad,former Vandy player Ray Maddux who had coached them in AAU.
Not only did Vandy not admit him, they leaked the denial to the afternoon paper at the time, the Nashville Banner before letting coach Jan van Breda Kolff know the decision.
One thing Vandy needs to do is may hay with the acquisiton they made of Peabody College in the late 70's. It was a 'teacher's college' but there is no avenue for coaching or other ways for an athlete to get a degree leaning towards coaching or sports .
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