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re: Why is UT Bama's Biggest Rival?
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:30 pm to USMC Gators
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:30 pm to USMC Gators
Nevermind
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Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:30 pm to The Spleen
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It has absolutely nothing to do with Phil Fulmer.
If you are talking about the origin, you are correct. You are negligent in your fandom if you mean to suggest that Fulmer didn't take the rivalry to another level of personal deceit and angst.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:32 pm to BrerTiger
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Does it really matter whether LSU fans "understand" your rivalries?
No, but I wasn't the one that started this thread asking about our rivalries. Along with the other countless ones I have been a part of that LSU fans started since I've been on TD about Alabama rivalries.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:32 pm to NATidefan
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To show the streaks. Bama wins are in bold.
1903
1904
1905-1913 LONG STREAK
1914 (gap didn't play) 1928, 1929 MED STREAK
1930
1931-1932
1933-1937 (36 was a tie) MED STREAK
1938-1940
1941-1945 (44 was a tie) MED STREAK
1946
1947
1948-1953 (49&53 were ties) MED STREAK
1954
1955-1960 (59 was a tie) LONG STREAK
1961-1966 (65 was a tie) LONG STREAK
1967-1970 MED STREAK
1971-1981 LONG STREAK
1982-1985 MED STREAK
1986-1994 LONG STREAK You had a forfeit in there in 1993
1995-2001 LONG STREAK
2002
2003-2006 You had a vacate in here
2007-2011 LONG STREAK
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:33 pm to DonDraper
By far? That's ridiculous.
I graduated in 98 and nobody I knew considered UT a bigger rival, nor do I know many who do now. The ones I know that do are retirement age.
I mean I act like they are around some if my Auburn friends just to frick with them, Hugo don't actually feel that way.
I graduated in 98 and nobody I knew considered UT a bigger rival, nor do I know many who do now. The ones I know that do are retirement age.
I mean I act like they are around some if my Auburn friends just to frick with them, Hugo don't actually feel that way.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:34 pm to therick711
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therick711
No shite sherlock, but from a watching the game standpoint, I think the streak point stands.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:35 pm to NATidefan
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No shite sherlock, but from a watching the game standpoint, I think the streak point stands.
No need to be a defensive bleeding gash. A tie isn't a win even if you didn't forfeit it and you had to vacate the win in 2005. You must really consider them a big rival if you can't even take being told what happened without being a huge douche about it.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:36 pm to blzr
I'm only 30 and while I will not discout the Iron Bowl the UT game is probably my favorite. I hate those bastards. Below is an email I sent to a non SEC friend before I took him to the TSIO game last year.
Yeah, tldr
UT Hate Primer
The History of Hate
The game is known as the Third Saturday of October, due to its traditional date on the calendar before the SEC started shuffling schedules in an attempt to give every opponent an open week before playing Alabama. One could set their watch to it, and in the states of Alabama and Tennessee, it was just known not to pick that weekend for a wedding. It is among the oldest rivalries in the south, with the first game being played in 1901. I believe it is the finest, edging out the slightly older Auburn/Georgia rivalry due to the fact that the Third Saturday has historically hosted more games with higher stakes than Auburn/ Georgia. The series is probably most notable due to its uncanny knack for streaks, which of course tend to elevate tension and hate. The biggest streaks include Alabama's 7,11, and 9 (unbeaten) game streaks starting in 1905, 1971, and 1986, respectively. Tennessee reeled off 7 wins starting in 1995. Alabama is currently riding a 4 game streak. The game has produced countless legendary examples of individual heroics from its participants. Upon having his ear half torn off during the 1913 game, an Alabama lineman had to be restrained as he tried to rip it completely off so that he could finish the game. A young Paul Bryant played the 1935 edition with a broken leg. Cody blocked two field goals to preserve the title dreams in '09. I'm sure some UT jackass did something at some point to help his team. Back in the day the tradition was started that the players on the winning team of this game would smoke cigars in the locker room after the game. In its infinite wisdom the NCAA, considering this an extra benefit, banned the practice a few years back. Of course, the tradition continues to this day with the fans.
Calls for Help from the Hills
UT's defacto fight song, Rocky Top, is played approximately 1,000 times a game. The lyrics, no shite, glorify moonshine and not having telephones. While most schools play their fight song only after scores,Tennessee doesn't find the endzone often. Not ever one to be deterred by societal norms, the Vols have found a creative solution to this problem: they play it after all scores of any kind, first down conversions, or whenever the defense successfully sends 11 men out onto the field(this happens less frequently than you might think In Knoxville). It is a point of contention among Alabama fans that Peyton Manning climbed a ladder to lead the band in a rendition of Rocky Top after beating Alabama, which, really, is just a pretty dorky thing for a quarterback to be doing.
Philip Fulmer / Hate Reaches a Breaking Point
It is impossible to mention this rivalry without discussing Philip Fulmer, who polluted the sidelines as head coach of UT in the 90's and 2000's. True to form, Fulmer, an assistant at UT hired by their then head coach Johnny Majors, began his head coaching career by promptly stabbing his boss in the back while he recovered from heart surgery. In the early 2000's, despite the NCAA's best efforts to hide the facts of the case, it was revealed in subsequent litigation that Fulmer had served as a primary 'secret witness' in the NCAA's investigation and following probation of Alabama for recruiting violations. While Alabama did in fact have a rogue booster who needed to be taken down, it is the nature of this investigation that many found to be unacceptable. First of all, the 'secret witness' route is simply limp-wristed and flat out un-American. In the past, the standard was for a coach to call another school if he saw a problem(or at least have the fortitude to do it openly, ala Spurrier in the 90's), not work with the NCAA and the conference behind closed doors like a little bitch in a concerted effort to try to take a rival down. Those days may be over now, but the obsessive zeal Fulmer undertook in his involvement was outrageous by anyone's standards. Fulmer secretly provided the NCAA with dozens of allegations against Alabama, running an extreme gauntlet of plausibility, even levying at least one which he later confessed to knowing even at the time was not true as he faced the threat of litigation himself. Given the above, it is crucial to make this distinction: Philip Fulmer wasn't trying to clean up college football, he was trying to take down Alabama. The anger was magnified by the numerous allegations of impropriety in Knoxville, which the NCAA seemed to consistently ignore. Fulmer's credibility again came under fire in early 2010 when he, along with Charlie Weis and Michael Moore, was implicated in a high profile Krispy Kreme insider trading allegation.
Tennessee's Saving Grace
It is impossible to have a truly great rivalry without at least a tiny shred of respect between the two teams, whether the two fanbases will ever admit it or not - I will begrudgingly acknowledge this now. Enter the universally respected badass General Robert Neyland, who coached at Tennessee from the 20's to the 50's. Neyland, a West Point graduate, had his coaching career twice interrupted as he served his country oversees, ultimately reaching the rank of brigadier general. He and of course Coach Bryant are generally regarded two of (In Bryant's case, if not the) finest and most successful coaches to have walked a sideline in college football. It should be noted that Neyland said this about the series: "You never know what a football player is made of until he plays against Alabama."
Kenny Chesney
Every positive in Knoxville is met by at least 10 negatives, so it should come as no surprise that UT's 21'st century answer to General Neyland is Kenny Chesney. If it wasn't enough that this arse-clown is single handedly destroying whatever remaining respect country music has left in this country, he has somehow positioned himself as some sort of symbol of the SEC and college football in general. And who is his team? You guessed it, the Tennessee Volunteers. Despite his endless love for his Vols, he has always been partial to any SEC quarterback. It should be considered telling that Tennessee fans are actually possessive of this guy and express a descent measure of jealousy when Chesney exhibits goodwill towards UT's rival players. It is a well known fact down in Gainesville that Chesney was once hospitalized after Gary Danielson broke a pool cue over his head when a nasty bar fight erupted after one of his shows down there. Witnesses say the two had become entangled in a heated argument over who would make the better lover: Time Tebow or Peyton Manning.
Conclusion
I would like to conclude by simply pointing to the words of a wise man. This guy much more eloquently and concisely summarizes the relevant issues at hand than I ever could. The Bama fans will have already seen this, but for the love of god watch this classic with volume before the weekend if you haven't seen it already.
LINK
Yeah, tldr
UT Hate Primer
The History of Hate
The game is known as the Third Saturday of October, due to its traditional date on the calendar before the SEC started shuffling schedules in an attempt to give every opponent an open week before playing Alabama. One could set their watch to it, and in the states of Alabama and Tennessee, it was just known not to pick that weekend for a wedding. It is among the oldest rivalries in the south, with the first game being played in 1901. I believe it is the finest, edging out the slightly older Auburn/Georgia rivalry due to the fact that the Third Saturday has historically hosted more games with higher stakes than Auburn/ Georgia. The series is probably most notable due to its uncanny knack for streaks, which of course tend to elevate tension and hate. The biggest streaks include Alabama's 7,11, and 9 (unbeaten) game streaks starting in 1905, 1971, and 1986, respectively. Tennessee reeled off 7 wins starting in 1995. Alabama is currently riding a 4 game streak. The game has produced countless legendary examples of individual heroics from its participants. Upon having his ear half torn off during the 1913 game, an Alabama lineman had to be restrained as he tried to rip it completely off so that he could finish the game. A young Paul Bryant played the 1935 edition with a broken leg. Cody blocked two field goals to preserve the title dreams in '09. I'm sure some UT jackass did something at some point to help his team. Back in the day the tradition was started that the players on the winning team of this game would smoke cigars in the locker room after the game. In its infinite wisdom the NCAA, considering this an extra benefit, banned the practice a few years back. Of course, the tradition continues to this day with the fans.
Calls for Help from the Hills
UT's defacto fight song, Rocky Top, is played approximately 1,000 times a game. The lyrics, no shite, glorify moonshine and not having telephones. While most schools play their fight song only after scores,Tennessee doesn't find the endzone often. Not ever one to be deterred by societal norms, the Vols have found a creative solution to this problem: they play it after all scores of any kind, first down conversions, or whenever the defense successfully sends 11 men out onto the field(this happens less frequently than you might think In Knoxville). It is a point of contention among Alabama fans that Peyton Manning climbed a ladder to lead the band in a rendition of Rocky Top after beating Alabama, which, really, is just a pretty dorky thing for a quarterback to be doing.
Philip Fulmer / Hate Reaches a Breaking Point
It is impossible to mention this rivalry without discussing Philip Fulmer, who polluted the sidelines as head coach of UT in the 90's and 2000's. True to form, Fulmer, an assistant at UT hired by their then head coach Johnny Majors, began his head coaching career by promptly stabbing his boss in the back while he recovered from heart surgery. In the early 2000's, despite the NCAA's best efforts to hide the facts of the case, it was revealed in subsequent litigation that Fulmer had served as a primary 'secret witness' in the NCAA's investigation and following probation of Alabama for recruiting violations. While Alabama did in fact have a rogue booster who needed to be taken down, it is the nature of this investigation that many found to be unacceptable. First of all, the 'secret witness' route is simply limp-wristed and flat out un-American. In the past, the standard was for a coach to call another school if he saw a problem(or at least have the fortitude to do it openly, ala Spurrier in the 90's), not work with the NCAA and the conference behind closed doors like a little bitch in a concerted effort to try to take a rival down. Those days may be over now, but the obsessive zeal Fulmer undertook in his involvement was outrageous by anyone's standards. Fulmer secretly provided the NCAA with dozens of allegations against Alabama, running an extreme gauntlet of plausibility, even levying at least one which he later confessed to knowing even at the time was not true as he faced the threat of litigation himself. Given the above, it is crucial to make this distinction: Philip Fulmer wasn't trying to clean up college football, he was trying to take down Alabama. The anger was magnified by the numerous allegations of impropriety in Knoxville, which the NCAA seemed to consistently ignore. Fulmer's credibility again came under fire in early 2010 when he, along with Charlie Weis and Michael Moore, was implicated in a high profile Krispy Kreme insider trading allegation.
Tennessee's Saving Grace
It is impossible to have a truly great rivalry without at least a tiny shred of respect between the two teams, whether the two fanbases will ever admit it or not - I will begrudgingly acknowledge this now. Enter the universally respected badass General Robert Neyland, who coached at Tennessee from the 20's to the 50's. Neyland, a West Point graduate, had his coaching career twice interrupted as he served his country oversees, ultimately reaching the rank of brigadier general. He and of course Coach Bryant are generally regarded two of (In Bryant's case, if not the) finest and most successful coaches to have walked a sideline in college football. It should be noted that Neyland said this about the series: "You never know what a football player is made of until he plays against Alabama."
Kenny Chesney
Every positive in Knoxville is met by at least 10 negatives, so it should come as no surprise that UT's 21'st century answer to General Neyland is Kenny Chesney. If it wasn't enough that this arse-clown is single handedly destroying whatever remaining respect country music has left in this country, he has somehow positioned himself as some sort of symbol of the SEC and college football in general. And who is his team? You guessed it, the Tennessee Volunteers. Despite his endless love for his Vols, he has always been partial to any SEC quarterback. It should be considered telling that Tennessee fans are actually possessive of this guy and express a descent measure of jealousy when Chesney exhibits goodwill towards UT's rival players. It is a well known fact down in Gainesville that Chesney was once hospitalized after Gary Danielson broke a pool cue over his head when a nasty bar fight erupted after one of his shows down there. Witnesses say the two had become entangled in a heated argument over who would make the better lover: Time Tebow or Peyton Manning.
Conclusion
I would like to conclude by simply pointing to the words of a wise man. This guy much more eloquently and concisely summarizes the relevant issues at hand than I ever could. The Bama fans will have already seen this, but for the love of god watch this classic with volume before the weekend if you haven't seen it already.
LINK
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:37 pm to therick711
Yes, the origin.
Saying Phil is the reason Bama fans hate UT is akin to saying Auburn fans hate Alabama because of Harvey Updyke. The hatred was already there.
Saying Phil is the reason Bama fans hate UT is akin to saying Auburn fans hate Alabama because of Harvey Updyke. The hatred was already there.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:39 pm to therick711
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No need to be a defensive bleeding gash.
I'm not, I just thought your point of vacates was retarded when I'm trying to explain that the series has gone in long streaks of who wins and loses the game.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:40 pm to NATidefan
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No, but I wasn't the one that started this thread asking about our rivalries.
Lots of trolling and flaming all the way around this week.
Ice Cold is gone!

Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:40 pm to The Spleen
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That's ridiculous.
Really? Than you must not know much about our history. Read up, seriously. It makes our history with AU minuscule.
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and nobody I knew considered UT a bigger rival, nor do I know many who do now
Exact opposite with me, graduated 09
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:43 pm to BrerTiger
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Lots of trolling and flaming all the way around this week.
Ice Cold is gone!
If you think this is a troll thread, you are sadly mistaken and didn't read the thread.
I was actually worried that KillianRussell was going to derail this thread, but thankfully he limited himself to one condescending post and kept his flamethrower out of here.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:44 pm to BrerTiger
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Lots of trolling and flaming all the way around this week.

Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:46 pm to DonDraper
I know plenty about our history. Just surprised someone would consider UT a bigger rival "by far."
And I considered UT a bigger rival until the expansion in 92. The Auburn game is a much more important game now.
Now, I enjoy the UT rivalry more and appreciate its history more, but I'd still rather beat Auburn. Makes it easier to get to Atlanta.
And I considered UT a bigger rival until the expansion in 92. The Auburn game is a much more important game now.
Now, I enjoy the UT rivalry more and appreciate its history more, but I'd still rather beat Auburn. Makes it easier to get to Atlanta.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:48 pm to The Spleen
I hate AU/UT pretty much equally. The difference is I see Auburn fans alot more often, so I wanna win the Iron Bowl more for year long smack talk reasons.
This post was edited on 6/1/12 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:56 pm to NATidefan
Rocky Top the first few times you hear it =
After hearing it 1000x a game =

After hearing it 1000x a game =

Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:59 pm to The Spleen
I think it goes without saying that the UT vs 'Bama match up means much more to the Tennessee fanbase, and some lingering hatred toward Alabama still exists because CS made fat Phil quit coaching.
Now they have rebuilt their entire program by raiding the dumpster outside the Mal Moore Athletic facility.
UT needs to beat UGA & Florida again before we can take them seriously at football in this age.
Now they have rebuilt their entire program by raiding the dumpster outside the Mal Moore Athletic facility.
UT needs to beat UGA & Florida again before we can take them seriously at football in this age.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 3:02 pm to USMC Gators
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Rocky Top the first few times you hear it
GOD DAMN I HATE THAT SONG.... I remember going to the 1995 game when they beat us 41-14. I swear it played the WHOLE fricking game.



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