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re: Why is over signing bad again?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:41 am to RollTideATL
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:41 am to RollTideATL
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Why is over signing bad again?
Think about the children!
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Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:42 am to Govt Tide
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I heard somewhere that The Bear used to recruit all the best players, then cut some so that other teams couldn't have them.
I would have a problem with it if I thought that was Saban's intentions here w/ over signing. I think it's really as simple as analyzing your team, and replacing the less talented guys w/ more talented ones.
This post was edited on 5/18/11 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:42 am to TTsTowel
quote:The players aren't forced to come to Bama. They know of the possibility of riding the bench or not having a scholarship renewed, they should go elsewhere.
Bama has players like Corey Grant, Jerrell Harris, Petey Smith, etc.. That would start at a lot of other SEC schools. A bunch of them that have been getting cut would also either contribute for another team, or possibly even start...
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:43 am to Dawgonit
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If it isn't wrong and it bothers none of you, why keep rehashing it over and over? To convince yourselves?
I don't really care about it but find it hilarious the number of times it's brought up.
Because 99% of the time it's brought up by self righteous Big Ten fans and certain self righteous SEC fanbases to demonize certain SEC coaches and teams. Even more annoying is how many anti-oversigners have convinced some that the practice is somehow illegal by current NCAA rules. The biggest whiners happen to be tOSU fans who defend and documented liar in NCAA matters and a highly respected honorable SEC coach who for some reason can't seem to successfully instill any discipline in his program.
Claiming that people that have no problems with oversigning keep bringing it up remind me of Northerners who keep telling Southerners to stop fighting the Civil War when they (Northerners) are always the first ones to bring it up.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:46 am to RJYH
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If it isn't wrong and it bothers none of you, why keep rehashing it over and over? To convince yourselves?
The media and your coach keep bringing it up, and I only hear one side of the argument when it's brought up. No convincing needed here...
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:48 am to RollTideATL
Fist off, I couldn't care less about oversigning
Can you tell me where this has been quoted, you might be mistaking the scholly every year
These are not really the issues most have with oversigning.
Most people are preturbed at the fact that coach recruits a guy and say I have a scholly(1st year) waiting for you, pending enrollment qualifactions.
Then the coach says we signed to many this year and to many qualified, so I am going to need you to wait till january, then possibly never. The player is stuck in his LOI.
Now if they could be released with no issues and go to another school, I dont forsee any problem what so ever and everyone would need to STFU. They might be able to, I am not sure on the rule
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the thing that drives me crazy is that people act like a kid had absolutely no clue that he might grayshirt. Saban tells them all upfront.
Can you tell me where this has been quoted, you might be mistaking the scholly every year
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) Coach doesn't make any promises to these kids about starting.
2) Coach tells them that they have to earn their spot on the team & their scholarship EVERY year.
These are not really the issues most have with oversigning.
Most people are preturbed at the fact that coach recruits a guy and say I have a scholly(1st year) waiting for you, pending enrollment qualifactions.
Then the coach says we signed to many this year and to many qualified, so I am going to need you to wait till january, then possibly never. The player is stuck in his LOI.
Now if they could be released with no issues and go to another school, I dont forsee any problem what so ever and everyone would need to STFU. They might be able to, I am not sure on the rule
This post was edited on 5/18/11 at 11:55 am
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:48 am to Govt Tide
Hey, we are behaving right now. Everyone has their licenses up to date and keeping their scooters off the sidewalks.
He should have hosted a cookout and told the police to contact him first if any of his players were caught breaking the law.
He should have hosted a cookout and told the police to contact him first if any of his players were caught breaking the law.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:52 am to NYCAuburn
I could bust this shite wide open and have been tempted to in the past, but nah. For the last year, before St. Valium was quoted saying anything about it, there was a thread weekly on here.
And folks, it's couldn't care less. If you could care less, well...it means you do care. That's all.
And folks, it's couldn't care less. If you could care less, well...it means you do care. That's all.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:52 am to RJYH
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The players aren't forced to come to Bama. They know of the possibility of riding the bench or not having a scholarship renewed, they should go elsewhere.
Do you really believe this to be 100% true? And I am not just pointing Saban out here, but all coaches in recruiting. It is a sales game. Most of these kids would not sign somewhere over another school if the coach just said, "well you might get a scholly if you sign a LOI". But only if everyone doesnt qualify
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:53 am to Dawgonit
hell yea we haven't gotten anyone arrested yet, kiss our 2010 fulmer cup champion asses we already have our hardware 
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:55 am to Dawgonit
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And folks, it's couldn't care less. If you could care less, well...it means you do care. That's all.
sheesh, grammar nazi up in here
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:55 am to NYCAuburn
quote:Yes I do.
Do you really believe this to be 100% true?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:56 am to NYCAuburn
Not a grammar nazi, just pointing out that when that phrase is used, you're actually saying the opposite of your intentions.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:57 am to RJYH
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Yes I do.
Do you know anybody that has been recruited by a major program?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:58 am to NYCAuburn
Pick me! Pick me!
My first cousin was! He played for _______.
My first cousin was! He played for _______.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:59 am to Dawgonit
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My first cousin was! He played for _______.
Okay, and were you around during his recruitment? What were coaches telling him? anything he wanted to hear, in order to get him to commit?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 12:00 pm to NYCAuburn
Yep. He was a 3 star recruit though. So guess things only get worse if you are a 4 or 5 star.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 12:01 pm to NYCAuburn
No. I know that coaches sell them on what they can. If they believe nonsense, then they're stupid.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 12:05 pm to RJYH
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No. I know that coaches sell them on what they can. If they believe nonsense, then they're stupid.
As Dawgonit confirmed, and I can as well, as I know serveral guys who were highly recruited, the coaches tell them anything. The sell them, and sell them hardcore. Yes, they would be a little naive if they believed everything, however, if they didnt believe everything, they wouldnt be commiting to the school
Posted on 5/18/11 at 12:10 pm to gatordmb89
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Yeah. I know how recruiting works, and I also know that just because you sign a class of 28, it doesn't mean you have over signed. Because some guys can be counted back towards the year before, unless of course, you over signed that year as well.
Although they are somewhat related, I don't understand why oversigning and grayshirting are lumped together. Heck, Mike Shula grayshirted and you NEVER heard people complaining about the practice. Everyone here thought the world of Shula.
My understanding was always that the idea behind grayshirting was to sign good but not great players and have them pay their own way for a semester and count towards NEXT YEAR's signing class. I'm not saying you're incorrect and maybe I'm wrong about that. I thought that was how it worked. If Saban was saying flat out that if you pay your own way next fall you WILL have a scholarship for next year's class and THEN doesn't follow through then yes that's a crappy unethical practice IMO. I haven't heard any evidence he's going this though.
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