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Why is everybody saying they are trying to slow down the HUHN?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:08 pm
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Speaking as a coach myself, A&M, auburn, OM, and so on will still snap the ball at exactly the same average time they always have (around 20 to 25 sec on the play clock). This rule will just take away the BS advantage of the threat of quick snapping to intentionally draw an illegal substitution/12 men on the field penalty. I don't know why everybody says they are trying to slow it down in terms of pace.
Speaking as a coach myself, A&M, auburn, OM, and so on will still snap the ball at exactly the same average time they always have (around 20 to 25 sec on the play clock). This rule will just take away the BS advantage of the threat of quick snapping to intentionally draw an illegal substitution/12 men on the field penalty. I don't know why everybody says they are trying to slow it down in terms of pace.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:09 pm to THDAY
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:14 pm to CNB
OU would have been given 6 delay of game penalties in their Sugar Bowl beat down of Bama.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:14 pm to THDAY
Agree.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:21 pm to THDAY
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Alabama/Arkansas are not winnning this argument.....
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:31 pm to NutBunnies
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Alabama/Arkansas are not winnning this argument.....
What argument? The argument they are trying to slow it down? They are not trying to slow it down. The HUHN coaches are going batshit because teams like auburn (who run up to line in a hurry after a play to keep the defense from substituting,then slow down and look to the sideline for the play) realize that a huge advantage of being able to control substitutions by the threat of quick snapping may end.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:38 pm to THDAY
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:41 pm to THDAY
Exactly, if an offensive coordinator needs to prevent another team from fielding their best defense, then they probably aren't much of a coach anyway.
I Think Gus is up to the challenge, he doesn't need to go against a weak defense.
I Think Gus is up to the challenge, he doesn't need to go against a weak defense.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:41 pm to THDAY
What great insight. None of us non coaches have even considered such. Thanks for lending your expertise.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:43 pm to THDAY
I agree. Initially, I was against this rule until I realized what it was about.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:45 pm to THDAY
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The HUHN coaches are going batshit because teams like auburn (who run up to line in a hurry after a play to keep the defense from substituting,then slow down and look to the sideline for the play) realize that a huge advantage of being able to control substitutions by the threat of quick snapping may end.
Yes it is. And coaches like Saban who love situational defense are going bat shite crazy so much they have to beg for a rule change. If HUNH coaches are doing something that is perfectly within the rules, then what is the problem?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:47 pm to WDE24
The key is control of the tempo. After a first down is made, the HUNH Teams like to snap the ball in less then 10 seconds, so the Defense can not put in a different package. If those Ds where in a nickle package on third down, there is a big running mismatch on first down. That is why Saban is so upset, he can not control the type packages he has in the game without having a major weakness.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:48 pm to THDAY
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Alabama/Arkansas are not winnning this argument.....
What argument? The argument they are trying to slow it down? They are not trying to slow it down. The HUHN coaches are going batshit because teams like auburn (who run up to line in a hurry after a play to keep the defense from substituting,then slow down and look to the sideline for the play) realize that a huge advantage of being able to control substitutions by the threat of quick snapping may end.
Good post and I agree. I really don't have a dog in this hunt. Richt rand a hurry up offense when he first came to UGA and it got shut down when Fulmer complained. This is to say that our offense certainly is capable of the hurry up style. Having said this, I feel the defense should be allowed time to substitute between downs. There is little doubt that defense is for the most part more physically the demanding than offense. The offense already has the advantage in terms of surprise with the snap count and knowing the planned point of attack. Allowing offenses to prevent subs by the defense is an over the top advantage IMHO.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:59 pm to davesdawgs
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:00 pm to davesdawgs
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Good post and I agree. I really don't have a dog in this hunt. Richt rand a hurry up offense when he first came to UGA and it got shut down when Fulmer complained. This is to say that our offense certainly is capable of the hurry up style. Having said this, I feel the defense should be allowed time to substitute between downs. There is little doubt that defense is for the most part more physically the demanding than offense. The offense already has the advantage in terms of surprise with the snap count and knowing the planned point of attack. Allowing offenses to prevent subs by the defense is an over the top advantage IMHO.
The HUNH means hurrying up to the LOS without a huddle, not necessarily snapping the ball quick. The Defenses can still sub, but the DC have not figured out a way to sub and still get their Ds in position.
Bret an Nick shot their wad with this rule. They would have been much better served by asking for a rule change for substitution after first downs.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:06 pm to Irons Puppet
Except when the defense tries to sub they pull that chickenshit snap the ball quick and the D gets a substitution infraction and it's a free play or 5 yards every time. It's chickenshit, they are afraid that a fresh D will stop their gimmicks.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:09 pm to Othello
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What great insight. None of us non coaches have even considered such. Thanks for lending your expertise.
Obviously not, smartass. Every thread for the past two days has a title saying Saban and Bielema are trying slow down the HUHN, even though they're not.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:12 pm to Othello
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Except when the defense tries to sub they pull that chickenshit snap the ball quick and the D gets a substitution infraction and it's a free play or 5 yards every time. It's chickenshit, they are afraid that a fresh D will stop their gimmicks.
No, it is called football. The game had become one played outside the stripes that it was more like X-Box. This makes your eleven on the field beat the other 11 on the field, like football was designed.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:12 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:incorrect. They like to line up within 10 seconds, before they get the play in even, so that the defense can't substitute even if they would have had time before the offense snaps. If the defects tries they just snap the ball with no play called to catch them in a penalty. It's exploiting a presnap procedural quirk, really won't do anything about tempo, but will let the d know they can get their 3rd and short or 2nd and long package out on the field as long as it's within 10 seconds. Thats why all the comparisons to not letting the defense blitz are spurious. This isn't a change that affects actual plays in the field, just will let the defensive coaches get the personnel they want on the field as long as they are quick.
The key is control of the tempo. After a first down is made, the HUNH Teams like to snap the ball in less then 10 seconds
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:32 pm to narddogg81
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incorrect. They like to line up within 10 seconds, before they get the play in even, so that the defense can't substitute even if they would have had time before the offense snaps. If the defects tries they just snap the ball with no play called to catch them in a penalty. It's exploiting a presnap procedural quirk, really won't do anything about tempo, but will let the d know they can get their 3rd and short or 2nd and long package out on the field as long as it's within 10 seconds. Thats why all the comparisons to not letting the defense blitz are spurious. This isn't a change that affects actual plays in the field, just will let the defensive coaches get the personnel they want on the field as long as they are quick.
What part of my post about the key is lining up at the LOS quickly, that you do not understand ? The tempo comes into play on first down or after a big gain that sets up a short yardage situation. What the bammers can not accept is the Gus is more of a Purist than Nick. He believes that his eleven can beat your eleven. That is how football was meant to be played.
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