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re: Why do the arky faithful think that Bret is better than Petrino?

Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:35 pm to
Posted by Snizzzo
Stankonia
Member since Oct 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:35 pm to
Why is this so hard for people to freakin understand? Petrino's first class was loaded with future NFL players from instate, most of whom had committed to Houston Nutt, and Mallett fell in his lap. His recruiting after that was terrible. One class had more attrition than any class I've ever seen.

For those of you who thinks Bret has failed thus far, this program is getting strong and has as much depth as I can remember ever being on the hill. Also, last year's team was a 9 or 10 win season without the unbefreakinlievable number of injuries.

This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 10:53 pm
Posted by CharlieDay
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
422 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 10:49 pm to
quote:

2 Bowl wins came over 6-7 Texas and 6-7 Kansas State
0-13 in first 13 SEC Games and 7-17 in the SEC through 3 seasons
Overall 18-20 in 3 years



To take over when he did and consistently improve each season is phenomenal. The SEC west has never been better in its history than it has been over the last 5 years. Not even close. Not to mention he has embarrassed LSU and Ole Miss the last 2 seasons. He could do better against Bama but it's not like any other team could say they've done much better aside from Ole Miss in that department. If he losses to teams like Florida next season, then I'll be worried.
Posted by purpleblackangold83
Jackson, MS
Member since Jul 2015
347 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 11:53 pm to
Exactly Petrino got gifted Ryan Mallet when Rich Rod took the Mich job..Also alot of hold overs from the Houston Nutt era. About better way to Access this would be to look at the players Bert has sent to the league..Seems like they will substain longivity in the NFL can't say the same for Petrino players.. In my opinión Bert is a better coach Petrino better schematics
Posted by Nolefan37
Member since May 2016
72 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:06 am to
As I noted in another thread, when you start 0-13 the only way you can trend is LINK
Posted by Walker_Abel
We fricked
Member since Sep 2015
307 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:12 am to
He took over a team that still had a bunch of talent and went 3-9 in his first year. And yes, he has beaten Ole Miss in the past two seasons (Last year because of the luckiest play in the history of Arkansas football) as well as LSU, but wins like that are almost invalidated by losses to Toledo and Texas Tech.

You say that you'll be worried if he loses to teams like Florida next season. Just keep in mind that he has already lost to teams that are worse than Florida (not a knock on Florida, y'all whipped our a$$ last season lol)
Posted by Nolefan37
Member since May 2016
72 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:25 am to
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He took over a team that still had a bunch of talent and went 3-9 in his first year. And yes, he has beaten Ole Miss in the past two seasons (Last year because of the luckiest play in the history of Arkansas football) as well as LSU, but wins like that are almost invalidated by losses to Toledo and Texas Tech.

You say that you'll be worried if he loses to teams like Florida next season. Just keep in mind that he has already lost to teams that are worse than Florida (not a knock on Florida, y'all whipped our a$$ last season lol)




Is that play really even legal under the 4th down fumble rule? If that had been ruled illegal, Ole Miss would have gone to the CCG instead of the Tide due to the head to head win and Alabama probably would have gotten shut out of the CFB playoff. Ole Miss still couldn't have gotten to the playoff themselves due to the Memphis loss. Yup if that absurdly lucky play doesn't happen then the SEC would probably have been shut out of the playoffs. That would have made this whole website go nuts with rage. Although most non SEC fans would be overjoyed.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 12:26 am
Posted by TheSwineAssault
The Delta
Member since Apr 2010
1623 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:28 am to
I loved BP but he deserved to be fired...lying to the AD and fans is low...plus the other stuff. Anyway, We have BB now and I truly believe that what Coach BB is building is much more sustainable. I had my doubts the first 2 years but I also had hope because of his previous success. He arrived playing with a depleted roster and athletes not suited for his style of play against SEC athletes....He admitted that SEC athletes were on another level than what he was used to in the Big10....He had to adjust some things on the fly. He has kept his nose to the grindstone and is striving to build our program his way...A program model in my mind more solid and sustainable than BP's
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 1:25 am
Posted by Walker_Abel
We fricked
Member since Sep 2015
307 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:35 am to
Yeah the play was legal. Since he passed the ball backwards, and did not actually fumble the football, other players were able to advance the football.

LINK
Posted by TejasPete
Member since Dec 2013
1425 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:45 am to
I'd take BMFP back in a heart beat over Bert. While I think Bert has a solid plan for building a decent program, Petrino had the potential to win national titles and BCS games when he got a good crop of in state players. People forget that Bobbys last two years we went 23 - 5 including bowl games. Bert will never sniff that.
Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9711 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 12:58 am to
I can tell you are an Ole Miss alter as they are the only people dumb enough to ever believe that was an illegal play.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29453 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:26 am to
quote:

Petrino had the potential to win national titles

Hard to do that when you lose 52-0 to Bama.
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11221 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 2:48 am to
Petrino was never going to win a national title. His teams were too soft.

2011 Ole Miss is a great example of this. We should have blown then out by 24+ points and yet we scraped by, only winning by 5 because they were way more physical.

This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 2:49 am
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:53 am to
Bobby petrino took over at Arkansas when the following players were all seniors in the state of Arkansas


Greg child's
Chris's gragg
Joe Adams
Marius wright
Dennis johnson
Tyler wilson

It's revolutionist history but none of those players were considered the best in sta

Deanthony Curtis was the best player in state, a running back. Jim young blood his QB was also committed

Every last one of those players had already committed exept wilson, who Houston nutt simply refused to offer and was a Tulsa commit, and Joe Adams who was a USC commit and all we had to do is tell him he could play WR.

Throw in Loyd Carr getting canned for the one coach in the county that refused to run a traditional offense for Ryan mallett and you have Bobby petrino.

Pros
- there is not a better offensive mind in football
- he can spot talent. Travis Swanson, Alvin Bailey and Jericho Nelson were not highly recruited plsyers.
- despite what everyone will say, he u derstood offense to the point that he was a better d cord than anyone he could hire. If we were within 14 points at half against anyone not LSU or florfia we were going to win because Bobby was gonna do his x and o shite and scheme a way to stop te other offense. He made Sherman look like a fool his last year when we got the fat but can waving his shirt but lol


Cons
- despite being a brilliant offensive mind, he's extremely predictable. Had LSU done 5 fricking mins of film study they would have seen that 4th and 3 to Joe Adams coming a mile away at the very least, known a play action pass for the juggular was coming. I've literally never seen him run te ball on forth and short! PA bootleg running back in the flat te the middle WR deep.
- has an obsession with fat slow running backs
-Runs a blocking scheme that makes dun game blocking much more complex than it should be
-a prick of the highest order which effects recruiting
- turnover rate. 7 players graduated from the 2010 class.
- teams are generally soft
- can't get good assistants, besides Herrick to work with him


Bert is the type of guy that was born go be a leader. Is he the best defensive mind, no. Is he the best offensive mind, no. But he knows who made and they want to work with him. He has an elite ability to spot and recruit coaching talent.


Only 3 players from the 2013 class has left by not going to nfl

Under Petrino when we played bama and LSU half the time we lost the first time e first time we got really hit. We lost the 2010 game the second Dre layer out Marius on that crossing pattern on the first possession.

We might not win every game but it won't be be wise were scared or not physical enough. 2014 bama game was old man fricking football

He's puts a fricking vice grip on recruiting in state. He got saban sending out "conditional offers" hoping to get him wasting time recruiting marginal prospect hrs lost 1 player in 3 years he's offered in state

Neither are bad really. Petrino is like Larry brown and Bert is like doc rivers without his shitty son on the team.
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 4:14 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 3:58 am to
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I don't. I'm not sucking a coach's dick over a Texas bowl and a liberty bowl

I don't buy how long it supposedly takes to "build a program"



Not a single piglet on scholarship was alive the last time Arkansas won a Conference Championship.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 4:11 am to
Nutt left petrino DJ Williams (RS freshman), Jerry Franklin (RS freshman), ray Dominguez (RS freshman), demarcus love (sophomore) Jonathan lugis(senior) ,Malcolm Shepard. (Junior)


All played in the NFL , actually played lol. Jerry still does.


Petrino left Bert with Trey flowers (Jr) Darius philon ,(RS freshman) and Jonathan Williams (sophomore)
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10409 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 6:49 am to
quote:

he took over a program devoid of talent outside of 3 players


Unfortunately, it takes talent as well as coaching to win in the SEC. Coaching is very important, but if the guy across from you is whipping your arse nearly every play...
Posted by swinetime
Member since Apr 2013
4484 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:04 am to


quote:

Arkansas is a much easier place to win than either of the Mississippi schools, and probably easier than tamu.
you want to know how I know your a flaming fool
Posted by swinetime
Member since Apr 2013
4484 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:19 am to
petrino was great but we like Bert more
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 7:21 am
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37299 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:37 am to
He's a better man than Petrino. I don't know if he's a better coach but I think he'll turn out to leave a fuller cupboard for the next coach when he eventually leaves (even tho he is fat). Petrino recruited for Petrino style football which is fine until it comes out he's banging an employee and gets fired, then it's not so nice for the follow up act especially when you toss in the JLS season in between.

That said, at this point in time, I wouldn't trade him now for any of the other sec coaches unless you took off 15 or so years of Saban.

Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
31085 posts
Posted on 5/5/16 at 8:08 am to
Petrino doesn't build a sustainable program.

After he left Louisville, they followed with these records and had to kick multiple players off the team.
6-6
5-7
4-8
7-6
7-6

After he left Arkansas, these records followed...
4-8
3-9
7-6
8-5

Arkansas lost an entire class due to disciplinary reasons when Petrino left. I think the count was around 23 players who had been dismissed from the team.
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