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re: Why Do Ole Miss Fans Wave the Rebel Flag?
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:16 am to Makeit Blue
Posted on 1/4/09 at 3:16 am to Makeit Blue
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Dumbass.
O Rly?
Well please, feel free to elaborate on your position...........
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Posted on 1/4/09 at 6:53 am to Makeit Blue
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And that is why y'all blare "Sweet Home Alabama" where the guvner's true at your games? Sweet Home Alabama
Dissing Skynyrd? THAT is un-Southern in the extreme.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 7:31 am to kclsufan
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It seems very disrespectful to me.
What can a piece of cloth do to you? If it's not that it's something else.......
Posted on 1/4/09 at 7:35 am to kclsufan
the rebel flag is not disrespectful....jesus... 
Posted on 1/4/09 at 9:23 am to kclsufan
The stars and bars have been banned from official Ole Miss gear for sometime, and the colonel now for a year or two. Many white southerners see it as a southern pride sort of thing, but it does seem to be dying slowly. If I were a black athelete, I would probably be at least a little bit bothered by the flags, though ultimately the civil war was more about state's rights, not slavery. KC.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 9:52 am to KCMOTiger
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though ultimately the civil war was more about state's rights, not slavery.
If you win the war, you get to write the History.
Lincoln would be considered a racist today. He made several statements to the effect of "Why would an inferior race want to live in a land controlled by their superiors?" He was also a proponent of sending slaves back to Africa. The Emancipation Proclamation only "freed" slaves in the South, and didn't apply to any Union states. If the Civil War was really about slavery, why did the EP come out in 1863, and not before the Civil War started?
I always get a chuckle anytime a Civil Rights person floats the old canard about Blacks being considered 3/5ths of a human. Hint: It wasn't the Southerners who proposed it, but Northern Abolitionists who wanted to limit Southern Congressional representation. Yet another example of how history gets skewed away from basic facts.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 9:56 am to kclsufan
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That being said, how do the black athletes who play, and win, for Ole Miss feel about this?
It hints at, if not proves, that the flag issue really isnt an issue if the chance to make a ton of money is involved.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 11:41 am to LSUGradATL
I'll take a guess Ole Miss Rebels=Rebel Flag
Posted on 1/4/09 at 11:46 am to tiger7166
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I'll take a guess Ole Miss Rebels=Rebel Flag
All these pages summed up in in less than ten words! 
Posted on 1/4/09 at 11:57 am to LSUGradATL
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It hints at, if not proves, that the flag issue really isnt an issue if the chance to make a ton of money is involved.
Bingo!
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:07 pm to Champagne
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The Louisiana Tigers at Gettysburg had a more distinguished record, because they actually took Cemetary Hill on July 2nd. It is true that they withdrew during the evening, but, they DID take that position, and they were the only ANV unit to do so.
The confederate greys died in pickett's charge. All except one, I believe. 3 confederate flags out of 35,000 people isn't a bad ratio. I only saw one myself, and I was at the game.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 12:17 pm to inelishaitrust
No one was more distinguished than the Confederate Greys. That is not a knock on anyone else, but those kids all made the ultimate sacrifice. They weren't politicians, they were soldiers.
inelishaitrust,
Deo Vindice, my friend.
inelishaitrust,
Deo Vindice, my friend.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 1:23 pm to Muppet
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Recognized as a war of treason.
Perception is reality, friend. Original intentions are as long gone as the men who followed blindly to the grave.
Recognized as a war of treason by whom? At the time of the Civil War, it was a open question as to whether states had a right to secede from the United States. There was a plausible legal argument that states retained sovereignty to secede from the United States. There was no explicit law that forbade it. The Constitution does not (and still does not) speak to the issue. The issue of secession has never been litigated in a United States court. (More recently I heard a liberal legal scholar make an argument that secession is legal.)
The matter was settled by a war, not through any court. A large segment of the United State population (including some Northerners) did not consider secession the equivalence of treason. Very few of the Confederate leaders or soldiers were convicted of treason, though they had their civil rights suspended, later restored. (In the surrender at Appomatox, Grant agreed not to prosecute for treason and there were few prosecutions. Even Jefferson Davis was pardoned by Andrew Johnson after Davis' indictment, but no conviction.)
You cannot say that someone was treasonous when the rules that applied then would be the determining factor, not current rules. The rules were different, or at least not settled.
The Confedracy lost, and the many of the winners considered the "rebellion" treasonous. Southerners considered it treason not to support the state governments in their secession efforts because they considered that states were sovereign and that the federal government overstepped its legitimate authority. At the time, there was no clearly correct or definitive legal answer.
But treason is probably the wrong word to use under the circumstances.
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/4/09 at 1:43 pm to LuckyLee
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Nope, I don't want to debate it. Just look at the caliber of people who fly this flag. Are you really naive enough to believe that the typical moron displaying this flag isn't making a racial statement?
Posted on 1/4/09 at 1:52 pm to kclsufan
They don't at games anymore. Ole Miss doesn't allow the Confederate Battle Flag on campus anymore.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:01 pm to TheCaterpillar
Piss on the rebel flag
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:16 pm to mattz1122
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Piss on the rebel flag
Not mine, or next time you try to piss on a flag you'll have to try it from a squatting position.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:18 pm to kclsufan
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That being said, how do the black athletes who play, and win, for Ole Miss feel about this? It seems very disrespectful to me.
Okay, here's another one just for the sake of arguement...How do Indians or shall we say "Native Americans" athletes feel about playing when the schools they play for wave the American Flag. Their people were treated unfairly and oppressed by our nation's goverment. In some cases, they still are some say. Do they have the right to complain when schools use an "Indian" or ethnic name referring to their people? What would happen if a school had a mascot like State University Darkies or Coloreds?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
If desired, everyone could argue about something.
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:30 pm to oompaw
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That being said, how do the black athletes who play, and win, for Ole Miss feel about this? It seems very disrespectful to me.
Probably not small-minded enough to lose any sleep over it.
Posted on 1/4/09 at 2:34 pm to ChewyDante
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This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 2:37 pm
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