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re: Why did LSU beat A&M but Bama did not?

Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:18 pm to
Posted by TidalForces
Yellow Springs, OH
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:18 pm to
most of these have been covered already but whatever.

1) the LSU game the week before. no other team bama played was as tough as LSU, and you cannot discount the physical toll this took on the team. this doesn't even take into account the psychological residue the game left. i'll assume that it's pretty hard to keep the next opponent in perspective (despite saban's best brain-programming efforts) when you feel you've managed to beat the toughest opponent on your schedule in such a dramatic fashion (oh hi 20 first quarter aggie points).

2) lack of offensive adjustments by nussmeier.

AJ's relatively stellar performance up to that point was a double-edged sword. pre-A&M he was reliable and/or clutch when it counted, which surely played into the mentality of having him try to win it through the air. A&M going up 20 points early also contributed to a sense of panic and urgency to score as quickly as possible (oh hi there, interceptions).

bama's D did a tremendous job of adjusting after the first quarter, holding A&M to just 9 points and scoreless for 2 quarters. other than the first quarter blitzkrieg, the defense kept the score manageable. if nussmeier had taken this into consideration, he could've switched to the power run game/playaction plan, which i'm sure would've worked out better despite eating up the clock.

unfortunately, when they did break out the rushing game, they got...

3) TJ Yeldon fumbling away what seemed to be a scoring drive. This fumble wasn't what caused bama to lose overall, but i think it can be characterized as the moment any realistic hope of a bama victory vanished into the ether. cue more panic, momentum loss, shift of focus away from the ground game. Despite the first turnover he was involved in being AJ's fault, this turnover pretty much negated Yeldon as a real factor on offense.

4) Johnny Manziel just being Johnny Manziel; A&M taking advantage of the situation as a good team should & playing turnover-free ball. they kept their composure in a hostile environment, which was reflected in only 4 penalties for 26 yards vs 6 penalties for 56 for bama. there are a lot of things bama did/didn't do that cost them the game, but A&M playing the overall better game and creating/cashing in on opportunities was as big a factor as any on this list.

do i think if the schedule was reversed and LSU had to play A&M immediately after they played bama that their result would've been reversed? yeah, probably.

but i also believe that any team having a game like that before A&M would've likely lost as well. beaten up and worn out and having to play the aggies right when they start clicking on all cylinders? i can't see any team in the SEC as a lock in that scenario.

still, that's all "ifs" and "buts". the reality is that LSU beat A&M and bama beat LSU and A&M beat bama. what does this mean, exactly?

my only conclusions are that any top SEC team could beat any other top SEC team on any given day if the stars align just right. college football is crazy.
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 6:20 pm
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:19 pm to
LSU would have been down by 20 in the 1st Q if not for a questionable illegal block that negated a long touchdown on a WR screen pass
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16345 posts
Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:34 pm to
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our freshman receiver had a perfectly thrown touchdown pass pop off his shoulder pads and into the hands of an LSU defender. That really is it.


Probably wouldn't have needed that pic if we don't have 13 penalties for 105 yds.
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22426 posts
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:05 pm to
Your math sucks, you got nine points, so plus 7 is 16. He'll even if you got the two point conversion that is only seventeen
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 7:31 pm
Posted by DGunter
Wichita, KS
Member since Jun 2012
183 posts
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:49 pm to
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stho381


If anybody is seriously wondering why A&M beat Bama, then they need only read this guys post. Good post!
Posted by droliver
Member since Nov 2012
971 posts
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:54 pm to
A&M just played lights out for a quarter (I think Manziel was 15 of his 1st 16 attempts) and Manziel was making freakish highlight plays that won the Heisman. They're a big momentum team, and things were just working.

As bad as they were outplayed in the 1st quarter, Alabama had that game in hand. 1st and goal at home, how many times do they not score to win? Great performance by Teas A&M
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
12938 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:09 am to
Next years games between the three teams should be pretty damn fun. It will w very interesting to see Bama's adjustments to A&M (is it a continuation of what we saw after the first quarter this year?) next year as well as A&M's adjustments for LSU.

I think a national title game appearance is decided between these three.
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 8:10 am
Posted by DriftwoodAg
Driftwood, Texas
Member since Dec 2012
49 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:26 am to
LSU and Fla. were lucky. A&M should have won both, but breaks fell against them. 2-3 plays in either game go the Aggies way and we are 12-0, but that is football and close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Posted by thatdude1985
Oxford, AL
Member since Oct 2011
27038 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:44 am to
the frick is shama??? oh and ur butthurt Loool
Posted by Wideman
Arlington, Virginia
Member since Jul 2005
11721 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:32 am to
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2-3 plays in either game go the Aggies way and we are 12-0, but that is football and close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
same for LSU... same for a lot of schools.
Posted by nofear67
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
2285 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:52 am to
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but the reality is that we would have won if we had managed to ONLY turn the ball over three or four times.

No the reality is you lost. <-- period
Posted by BigD Ag
Dallas
Member since Dec 2011
1635 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:56 am to
Because TAMU, Bama, and LSU are pretty close in terms of how good the teams are.

Same thing happened in the East where different teams beat each other.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15609 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:57 am to
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thatdude1985
Why did LSU beat A&M but Bama did not?

the frick is shama??? oh and ur butthurt Loool




Shama as in "Sham", or did you learn that word in the little crimson school house in Anniston?
Your team was a SHAM last year because your whiny coach begged on national TV to get a do-over, even though Oklahoma State had a ridiculously better resume, won their conference and had a much stronger SOS.
Since you things love the word "butthurt" all of a sudden, go sit on your frozen sausage that you keep in the freezer for just such an occasion.
What do you call her? "Nickie" ????
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 9:59 am
Posted by MrBiriwa
Biriwa,OH
Member since Nov 2010
7116 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 10:16 am to
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LSU and Fla. were lucky. A&M should have won both, but breaks fell against them. 2-3 plays in either game go the Aggies way and we are 12-0



...and if some of those same plays go the other way vs TAMU you lose to La Tech, Ole Miss and Bama. Football is a crazy game the way the ball bounces sometimes
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