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re: Why Carolina hired Muschamp instead of Herman and how the search failed.

Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:04 am to
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22475 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:04 am to
It's not a big deal.

It actually look pretty bad if smart 100% left for UGA and bama's defense didn't skip and beat... reinforcing the notion he's just a Saban puppet. This way, it will talk some time to find out.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
47995 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:04 am to
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There is clearly nothing that changed about his job approach, qualifications, and performance that changed overnight when he got a contract extension and raise.


Eh, dude took Houston to a New Years Six bowl in year 1 and won the AAC title. I'm sure Houston loved him in his interview but I doubt they were banking on THAT kind of performance out of him.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
47995 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:05 am to
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It actually look pretty bad if smart 100% left for UGA and bama's defense didn't skip and beat... reinforcing the notion he's just a Saban puppet. This way, it will talk some time to find out.


Works for me. Less ammo to be used in negative recruiting this way.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16573 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:06 am to
So you aren't privileged to the specifics of the search but extrapolate that Herman played USCe? How do account for the great time that USCe was given? Also how do you account for the literally dozens of other qualified candidates other than Boom and Herman that could have been contacted?
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:07 am to
Meh. I think nobody else wanted the job. Boom wanted to go back to being a HC and this was the first SEC opening available. Auburn never expected to hold him long if a HC opening came up.
Posted by Herman Frisco
Bon Secour
Member since Sep 2008
17733 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:07 am to
I think it shows class from both Smart and UGA
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
18208 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:07 am to
Holy shite that is a full grown cornfed honky. I'm taking it he plays somewhere that requires you to lean forward on your knuckles...
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:09 am to
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This is what I think happened


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I'm fairly certain that Ray Tanner used a search firm for this coaching opening


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He was literally not qualified by the search consultant


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As a recruiter we were taught to uncover the TRUE motivating factors for a move and then we were taught to cover counter-offers early and often. This was not done.


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This is all simply my informed opinion


well, I don't consider your opinion an informed one at all. in fact, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. you can't prove anything you said is a fact. you can't even prove USCe main target was Herman.

as far as your professional credentials are concerned I can tell you aren't worth a shite at your profession or you are a liar. you cannot, with certainty QUALIFY a candidate. said candidates lie their arse off if it serves their purpose. and i'll bet you a dime to a do-nut that you NEVER have searched for a position in the sports world much less the uber competitive college football world.

so you've been to training classes and filled a few low level positions. big friggin' deal.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130063 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:10 am to
So, a Georgia fan, whose team fired it's most successful coach in history, and hired an unproven assistant, is posting about a team hiring someone with a winning record as a head coach at an elite school.

Interesting. Let's see how this plays out.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26184 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:14 am to
Damn, who shite in your Metamucil?
Posted by iglass
North Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
3034 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:14 am to
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Eh, dude took Houston to a New Years Six bowl in year 1 and won the AAC title. I'm sure Houston loved him in his interview but I doubt they were banking on THAT kind of performance out of him.


No, you don't get what I am saying. This is a general philosophy not specific to college football coaching.

Say you find out that your employer just gave the guy in the next cubicle over a raise. He had a great year... but so did you. In fact, you had a *stellar* year compared to anything you've done before for the company. You made them a LOT of money.

But, you yourself haven't heard a word about a raise. You go tell your manager that the company down the road has contacted you about a job opening and they have made you a job offer. So your manager decides to give you a raise as well... but you had to ask for it. If not for the threat of leaving to another company, they would have never given you a raise. Or even thought about it.

You were doing great and making them a lot of profit. There is NOTHING that changed about your job from yesterday to today but now you are making a lot more money. You are not working more hours, nor making more sales, nor saving the company more money. But all of a sudden they think you are worth more... because of the hole you would have left.

Would that not infuriate you? If today's pay rate is more reflective of your worth, then why were they not paying you what you were worth YESTERDAY?
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:14 am to
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AU4real35


You should probably get someone to make a meme for that says, "Can't read lol".

Then again, this is all just squiggly lines to you, so I'm wasting my time.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
47995 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:16 am to
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whose team fired it's most successful coach in history,


Second most

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hired an unproven assistant


Well, actually, he is pretty proven. Just not as a HC...

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posting about a team hiring someone with a winning record

I mean, yeah, I guess "winning" in the sense that going 28-21 is just above .500

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at an elite school

Now let's not get ahead of ourselves
Posted by iglass
North Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
3034 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:16 am to
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well, I don't consider your opinion an informed one at all. in fact, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. you can't prove anything you said is a fact. you can't even prove USCe main target was Herman.

as far as your professional credentials are concerned I can tell you aren't worth a shite at your profession or you are a liar. you cannot, with certainty QUALIFY a candidate. said candidates lie their arse off if it serves their purpose. and i'll bet you a dime to a do-nut that you NEVER have searched for a position in the sports world much less the uber competitive college football world.

so you've been to training classes and filled a few low level positions. big friggin' deal.


You might want to lay off the Red Bull.

Is there a possibility something else might have happened? Of course. But IMHO the OP nailed the most likely scenario dead on.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 8:17 am
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
47995 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:18 am to
How do we know Houston wasn't planning on giving Herman a raise at the end of the year (when most raises are given)? The only reason this came up sooner was because Carolina was apparently trying to make a move during the middle of the season so Houston had to respond.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:18 am to
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Damn, who shite in your Metamucil?


sorry, I just can't help but call out unmitigated bull shite when I read it.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26506 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:19 am to
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uga's coach or assistants won't be there until January!

This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 8:20 am
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:20 am to
Honestly, it seems that you and Bean are very proud of your jobs and have a desire to 'educate' us simpletons on the nuance of negotiation. But everything he wrote in the OP is discussed over and again every time a coaching change rumor mill gains steam. So thanks for the lesson Captain Obvious.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27776 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:22 am to
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AUstar

Why Carolina hired Muschamp instead of Herman and how the search failed.
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This is all simply my informed opinion.


Thank you for your informed opinion. Now, looking closer to home, how do you explain that UGA is allowing Smart to stay at bammer until after Jan. 11th? Do you not find it a bit pathetic that UGA cannot get the coach they just hired to get on campus for over another month?


It's so simple, even an Auburn fan can understand it.

UGA targeted the guy they wanted in Smart. Smart had a condition of wanting to finish the season at Bama. UGA, looking long term and big picture and seeing the positives for them...every commentator during the games calling him "New UGA coach Kirby Smart...", etc., etc...decided that it was something they can live with. And since the dead period is from mid December to mid January, there's little he can do in terms of recruiting anyway.
Posted by iglass
North Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
3034 posts
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:22 am to
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How do we know Houston wasn't planning on giving Herman a raise at the end of the year (when most raises are given)? The only reason this came up sooner was because Carolina was apparently trying to make a move during the middle of the season so Houston had to respond.


Herman was making $1.4M/yr and had quite some time left on his original contract. They were under no obligation to increase his salary beyond minimal increases and bonuses already built in. When USCe came sniffing, Houston increased his salary to $2.8M. That's DOUBLE.

I'm not necessarily complaining about the process, it has simply evolved to what it is in a cutthroat world where "what have you done for me lately" reigns supreme. It is what it is. And the rich get richer.
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