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re: Why all this talk about LF7?

Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Lsu19geaux94
Member since Oct 2015
1939 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:17 pm to
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Making the most of his opportunities


While henry and Lacy make the least of theirs
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17101 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:20 pm to
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What you're describing is good recruiting, which no one ever accused Miles of being incapable of. We're saying that all that NFL talent was squandered there. The fact that so many LSU guys are productive on NFL rosters while LSU has dick-fist to show for it bolsters that point.

LSU underutilized pretty much all of them.


This is stupid. Those guys all had success at LSU. LSU's entire team was simply not as good as Bama's on a year to year basis. Bama's offensive lines and front sevens have consistently been better than LSU's and that has showed itself in the on field results.

Coaching has absolutely been a factor but to extrapolate that LSU has wasted talent because they have failed to overtake Bama is not a valid logical argument.

With Mett, we had a thousand yard rusher and two thousand yard receivers in the same season. We simply couldn't overtake Bama who has consistently had the best overall TEAMS year in and year out. No one can suggest that LSU's offensive lines have been on par with Bama's. And the Mett years were an exception. Our QB play has been awful and that has crippled this team for many years.

Good players have had good and great college careers at LSU. Stick LSU in the Big 12 and now they will have conference titles to go along with it. That's really the only difference. The fact is, Bama has been better and deeper and is on a historical run right now. That doesn't mean that LSU's stars have been underutilized or underachieved. It's a dumb argument, plain and simple, and a self serving one for a Bama fan base who wants to utilize that theme to bolster their recruiting against LSU. The reality is LSU has been very close against Bama a number of times in this stretch and the potential is absolutely there. We need better Oline talent and to keep in state players from going to Bama. Unfortunately we are struggling on both of those fronts.
Posted by steamengineRR
Member since Nov 2016
253 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:37 pm to
lacy has been on IR.

you could say bama rbs havent lived up to their draft slot, and lsu backs have overachieved based on their draft slot. but that goes against your argument saying lsu prepares their players better for the nfl. if they did, they wouldnt be late round draft picks.
Posted by Lsu19geaux94
Member since Oct 2015
1939 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:42 pm to
Ah I didn't know Lacy was injured. All it would've taken was a bama fan to actually say something knowledgeable like that to get me thinking different about Lacy. I was actually wondering why he was trending downhill, now at least that makes some sense. I wish the same could be said for Richardson and Henry though.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
10470 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:49 pm to
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Sure he didn't win the heisman but in recent history LSU backs have done better than bama backs in the NFL so the real question here is why do bama heisman RBs do SO TERRIBLY BAD in the NFL?


I honestly don't know.

I couldn't tell you how many games any have started
How many yards they have
How many TD's they have

What I do know is that those LSU guys you mentioned lost to Bama in college.

I am a Bama fan, not a Saints fan or a Raiders fan or a Titans fan.

If I want to know any answers as to how BAMA backs are doing I'll make sure I contact you.

As for LF7, he's a good back. Has his moments. He will share time wherever he goes. He's not an elite back. He will face defenses more comparable to Alabama than Miss State in the NFL. That should tell you about all you need to know.
Posted by Lsu19geaux94
Member since Oct 2015
1939 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:51 pm to
LSUs O line being dominated by Bama's D line is the reason for fournette not having success. You can't put the blame on the backs skill when he can't get past the LOS to demonstrate any skill. He'll be better in the NFL so long as he's running behind a good O line.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6493 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:59 pm to
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Ah I didn't know Lacy was injured. All it would've taken was a bama fan to actually say something knowledgeable like that to get me thinking different about Lacy. I was actually wondering why he was trending downhill, now at least that makes some sense. I wish the same could be said for Richardson and Henry though


If you didn't know Lacy was injured you don't follow the NFL and you shouldn't be making comments on subjects you're not informed about.

Henry also plays behind Demarco Murray who signed a 25 million dollar contact and is 2nd in the league in rushing with close to 1100 yards.

You can tell Henry has made the most of his opportunities though by checking his ypc. I know you don't believe in ypc though because it hurts your argument.
Posted by dannyz68
baton rouge
Member since Aug 2010
66 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 1:39 pm to
at what
Posted by Lsu19geaux94
Member since Oct 2015
1939 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 2:40 pm to
I just don't follow Green Bay. I'm a saints fan. Just because I didn't know that lacy was injured on a Green Bay team that has been trending downhill the last couple weeks doesn't mean anything just means I don't pay too much attention to who's on the packers IR right now at this moment.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 2:42 pm to
Didn't Ingram just have a 150 yard game?
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
34225 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 2:42 pm to
This is an average moral victory thread at best.
Posted by TommyM
Conflict of interest
Member since Nov 2013
2527 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:54 pm to
Oh good, it's the annual "On field accomplishments don't matter at LSU unless we're talking about Texas A&M" thread.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:56 pm to
I couldn't name an LSU back.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2893 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:15 pm to
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Because y'all waste talent.


He was injured all year long, not sure how you guys cannot understand this.

Last year had good stats but one game, and LSU only played 11 regular season games last year

The Heisman winner played 13 games, last year if LF7 would have played the opening game against McNeese State he would have more than likely gained another 200 yards and led the nation in rushing.

The Heisman voting takes into account conference championship games and teams that play an extra game give the players better stats.

LF7 career at LSU was great except for his injury this year.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2893 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:25 pm to
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You can tell Henry has made the most of his opportunities though by checking his ypc. I know you don't believe in ypc though because it hurts your argument.


So you believe in ypc.
Henry 2015 ypc 5.6
LF7 2015 ypc 6.5

yet Henry won the Heisman playing 13 games prior to Heisman voting
LF7 played 11 games prior to Heisman voting

LF7 only played in 7 games this year 2016 and was hobbled all year with high ankle sprain
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 6:28 pm
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6493 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:43 pm to
What was their ypc against teams with a pulse? We all know LF7 ran for 200 + yards against some non power 5 teams and horrible defense.

Henry won the Heisman because he performed in Big games, LF7 avg 1.6 ypc when it counted most.

LF7 is a more talented RB then Henry, no one is arguing that,but he didn't have a better year in 2015. Henry was able to put the Bama offense in his back and win a championship. LF7 was not.



Production from a RB mostly depends offensive line and scheme. LSU has a great scheme for running the football.

Even Charles Scott even looked impressive as the lead back for LSU.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2893 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 7:23 pm to
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Henry won the Heisman because he performed in Big games


Henry ran behind the better BAMA line and also Henry did not run against the great BAMA defense behind a LSU offensive line.

No argument Alabama is a better team and has a better interior line both offense and defense.

Henry played on a much better team.

This whole thread is to down play the ability of LF7 and the fact is he is a elite running back who had a great career
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26518 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 7:45 pm to
Damn this is an embarrassing thread for OP on many levels.

Look Fournette was a really good college RB who fell short of probably ridiculous expectations put on him by his fans and fell way short of being able to elevate his team to the next level in any meaningful way.

It is what it is.

He looks to have a promising future in the NFL but when you ask "why all this talk about LF7" it seems expected that now that this generational transformative talent is moving on from his college playing days it is the right time to reflect on his impact or lack thereof relative to what we heard 3 years ago and throughout his career.

Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19810 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 7:53 pm to
Bottom line:

Henry had more total yards (2310), touchdowns (28), and performed better in ranked games. It's so simple. Oh and broke Bo Jackson and H Walkers record. FFS he def earned it.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6493 posts
Posted on 12/11/16 at 8:02 pm to
Of course LF7 is an elite back. You shouldn't let trolls rustle you so easily. No one can dispute he has the tools to be elite. Is he a more talented RB than Henry? Yes.

Did he have a better year in 2015? No

Is he the transcendant once in a generation back that LSU fans tried to convince everyone he was? No.

That doesn't mean he wasn't an elite back and arguably the best RB in college football during his time at LSU.

Most sane people know he will be an elite RB depending on what team drafts him and the offensive line personnel around him. The problem is most teams drafting high are horrible organizations with bad O-lines. The cowboys were a rare exception last year.

He is a good kid and most wish to see him do well.
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