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Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:21 pm to Nitro Express
quote:I’m willing to go on the record and say that you for sure have a pussy in your pants
God you're pathetic. It's a football message board where we're all anonymous and talk about football. frick off, idiot.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:22 pm to Nitro Express
Both will get real coaching in the NFL.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:28 pm to WilliamTaylor21
You act as though being a likely first round QB, even if it's toward the end of the round, is a bad thing. You sound like a damn moron. Jones is headed to the NFL and will be a starting QB somewhere, and that has nothing to do with Joe Burrow, and neither does this thread you insecure frick.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:28 pm to Solo Cam
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I’m willing to go on the record and say that you for sure have a pussy in your pants
I bet you like your men to have pussies don't you?
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Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:30 pm to Nitro Express
I do not think either Fields or Lawrence will be elite NFL quarterbacks. Both seem to be benefactors of playing in offenses that most opponents lack the athletes to make the quarterback consistently do progression read passing. They have fantastic arms, so the potential is there for them but the NFL is a win now league that doesn’t spend much time developing anyone. You better be 90% of the way there when you get to the NFL or it is likely you’re not going to last long.
Lawrence really struggles with secondary offense. In my opinion, his best season was his true freshman year when he played behind arguably the best Clemson OL in this Dabo Dynasty. He could stand tall in the pocket with solid snap-to-affect time to wait for his primary to come open (and with his WRs that happened at a exceptionally high clip). His offensive line was weaker the last two years and tried to supplement that weakness with more QB running against quality opponents. Surprised OSU last year with his running, Aranda just stuck Queen on his arse for 60 minutes to contain it (OSU replicated that a bit with their DEs this year). Lawrence is not a good scrambler though. He’s not got that quick first step and spidey sense like Watson that made him an infuriating QB if you managed to cover his WRs. Lawrence kinda panics a bit and stops seeing the field if you can get around him in the pocket. Lacks that burst speed of Watson so you can clean him up with contain and spies before he really chews up yards.
I’ve watch Fields less and they essentially only played half a season this year but I think his problem is erratic accuracy when throwing over the middle to in-cutting receivers. He’s got an arm cannon, so I don’t think there is a streaking receiver he can’t hit. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could throw a ball 80 yards in the air with a bit more wind up when needed (only half joking there). Fields does have that suddenness as a scrambler but he also doesn’t seem exceptional as an improviser.
I’m not going to say anyone is going to be a bust if they have the raw arm talent anymore. Josh Allen, Jared Goff, etc kinda rubbed my nose in it lately.
Lawrence really struggles with secondary offense. In my opinion, his best season was his true freshman year when he played behind arguably the best Clemson OL in this Dabo Dynasty. He could stand tall in the pocket with solid snap-to-affect time to wait for his primary to come open (and with his WRs that happened at a exceptionally high clip). His offensive line was weaker the last two years and tried to supplement that weakness with more QB running against quality opponents. Surprised OSU last year with his running, Aranda just stuck Queen on his arse for 60 minutes to contain it (OSU replicated that a bit with their DEs this year). Lawrence is not a good scrambler though. He’s not got that quick first step and spidey sense like Watson that made him an infuriating QB if you managed to cover his WRs. Lawrence kinda panics a bit and stops seeing the field if you can get around him in the pocket. Lacks that burst speed of Watson so you can clean him up with contain and spies before he really chews up yards.
I’ve watch Fields less and they essentially only played half a season this year but I think his problem is erratic accuracy when throwing over the middle to in-cutting receivers. He’s got an arm cannon, so I don’t think there is a streaking receiver he can’t hit. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could throw a ball 80 yards in the air with a bit more wind up when needed (only half joking there). Fields does have that suddenness as a scrambler but he also doesn’t seem exceptional as an improviser.
I’m not going to say anyone is going to be a bust if they have the raw arm talent anymore. Josh Allen, Jared Goff, etc kinda rubbed my nose in it lately.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:31 pm to Nitro Express
quote:No - no he won’t
and will be a starting QB somewhere
There’s a reason his WR won the Heisman.
There’s a reason he has no memorable plays.
There’s a reason he’s behind FCS QB’s.
It’s not complicated.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:33 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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WilliamTaylor21
Get out of my thread you fricking retard.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:34 pm to Nitro Express
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Who's more overrated as a quarterback, Fields or Sunshine?
I go with Fields. I think he is more of a runner first, then passer, and in my opinion, not that accurate. Big time players step up in the spotlight.
Sunshine has had his moments where he is really good. His problem is when he gets rattled, he over throws.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:35 pm to WilliamTaylor21
I think Mac Jones can read a defense better than the other two. However, it really depends on where you are drafted. A QB should hope to go somewhere in the middle of R1 at the earliest so the team isn't dog shite
Jones will have a better chance, because he will go later to a better team
Jones will have a better chance, because he will go later to a better team
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:37 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Joe Namath, The Snake, and Bart tells you to piss off and Roll Tide! 
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:39 pm to HeavyD
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I go with Fields. I think he is more of a runner first, then passer, and in my opinion, not that accurate. Big time players step up in the spotlight.
Sunshine has had his moments where he is really good. His problem is when he gets rattled, he over throws.
Good post. Honestly, that's why I think Jones is better than both. He's good from the pocket and under pressure. Both Fields and Sunshine don't do very well when pressured. Also, I think their reads have been limited by both OSU and Clemson's coaching staff. They don't got through many progressions. I think pocket presence, reading defenses, and ability to perform under pressure is why they're overrated, and why Jones will be a better pro.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:39 pm to Nitro Express
Sunshine, simply because he doesn't have as much of the duel threat option. I don't think I've ever seen Lawrence sit in the pocket and make reads. Everythign is determined presnap and they throw a ton of bubble screens.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:40 pm to Nitro Express
Neither. Both are great quarterbacks.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:41 pm to LSU Mandalorian
quote:What?
Lawrence I think is a better prospect, but I think overall this year's QB draft class isn't that great
Have you seen any mocks lately?
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Fields
Zach Wilson
Trey Nance
Mac Jones
Kyle Trask
All of the above have been getting hyped for round 1. I’ve seen 5 of them mocked in the top 10.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:45 pm to ColoradoAg
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I think Mac Jones can read a defense better than the other two. However, it really depends on where you are drafted. A QB should hope to go somewhere in the middle of R1 at the earliest so the team isn't dog shite
Jones will have a better chance, because he will go later to a better team
So many teams are essentially doing what Rodgers and the Packers have done for most his career where they’d call a play but kinda anticipate that he’d extend the play and scramble drill would be a big part of the approach. I’d say that Mahomes and the Chiefs is the logical conclusion of that approach. They have some good concepts and package up shot plays nicely but a lot what they do to move the chains is Mahomes extending the offense and everyone playing scramble drill rules perfectly. Bills kinda do that too.
The other popular approach I’m seeing with young QBs out of college in the NFL is to run something like the old Broncos offenses with Elway where a lot of the passing is bootleg action w/ some level progression reads to one side of the field. Rams and Browns really seem to like that stuff.
Mac Jones is not gonna fit in that kind of offense because he’s kinda old school. He’s probably a fantastic option to draft late in the 1st if you have an old school veteran quarterback and don’t want to change schemes.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:49 pm to Nitro Express
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Honestly, that's why I think Jones is better than both. He's good from the pocket and under pressure.
To me, Jones has a workman's type attitude. He has just enough athleticism to scramble out of a sack and is an accurate passer. Give me that any day. Also doesn't hurt to have the weapons he has.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:55 pm to Nitro Express
Gotta go with Sunshine simply because he has been hyped as the future #1 overall pick since he was like 16. He gets rattled and starts to press if you hit him in the mouth early though, which is a huge red flag for me if I'm thinking of making him my franchise QB.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:56 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Your greatest QB ever is the worst QB in the NFL.
Bama does more with less? Cool
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:58 pm to TarnishedWisdom90
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to be fair they dont have multiple recievers running wide open every play like Jones does too
Or 10 minutes to throw the ball with no pressure in the pocket
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