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re: Who would you pick, Bear Bryant or Chip Kelly?

Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by genro
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:46 pm to
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Which is the whole point of this thread.

Then it's a stupid thread.
Who would you rather have run your country - Julius Caesar or Barack Obama?
Posted by arlo
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:47 pm to
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but we did have #1 v. #2 bowl matchups that Bear coached in, and won.


Back in the day, it was fairly uncommon to have #1 & #2 in a bowl game.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:47 pm to
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Which is the whole point of this thread.


No, the point of the thread was to gauge opinions. That doesn't exclude me from having my own.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:47 pm to
caesar
Posted by Interweb Cowboy
NW Bama
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:47 pm to
A winner will always be a winner, no mater what era you put him in, he will adapt.

Bryant is a proven winner and thats who I would choose.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:48 pm to
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Back in the day, it was fairly uncommon to have #1 & #2 in a bowl game.

No shite it was uncommon. But it happened. 1978.
Posted by arlo
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:50 pm to
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Which is the whole point of this thread.


Bryant took what he had in the moment and was successful. He was in the perfect spot at the right time.
Posted by oompaw
In piney hill country...
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:51 pm to
BB or CP?

quote:

Would a coach like Bear Bryant be able to compete with modern day coaches under present day conditions?


I stopped reading here, but will say that the culture has changed with this generation of kids. BB would have difficulty. He would have lost patience as did Bobby Knight, a great coach in his day. But to even mention Chip Kelly on the same page is more than ridiculous.

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A winner will always be a winner, no mater what era you put him in, he will adapt.


Hasn't proved true. Eddie Robinson/Bobby Bowden/Joe Paterno And that's just in football.


This post was edited on 12/2/11 at 2:56 pm
Posted by OryGunDucks
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:53 pm to
chips only in his 3rd year as a HC. How long was bear a coach?
Posted by genro
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:54 pm to
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chips only in his 3rd year as a HC. How long was bear a coach?

25 years at Alabama. And I know you're not the OP, but if you don't know much about him, should you really be comparing him?
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:57 pm to
Coach Bryant adapted as time went on. He ran everything from the Wishbone to the I at Alabama. He adapted as time went, which is why he was so successful for so long.

Chip Kelly couldnt hold the dribble on the end of Coach Bryant's dick after getting done with your mother.

FACT
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:57 pm to
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A winner will always be a winner, no mater what era you put him in, he will adapt.

Bryant is a proven winner and thats who I would choose.


It isn't quite that simple. I'm not sure you could pull a coach out of 1977, give him a team in 2011, and expect him to win.

I do think that if Chesterfields prolonged your life infinitely and Coach Bryant had managed to continue living and coaching from 1983-2011, he would have adapted to the changes in the game that have occurred over the last 3 decades. You don't manage to carve out a ~40 year career as a HC in any sport at any level if you lack the ability to adapt to change.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:57 pm to
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25 years at Alabama. And I know you're not the OP, but if you don't know much about him, should you really be comparing him?


So what are the qualifications to be able to speak about The Bear?
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 2:59 pm to
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So what are the qualifications to be able to speak about The Bear?

I said comparing. If you're going to decide which is the better of any two things/people/vaginas, shouldn't you know something about both of them?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 3:04 pm to
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Chip Kelly couldnt hold the dribble on the end of Coach Bryant's dick after getting done with your mother.


That's just pathetic. It does open up the thought process of some Alabama fans though.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 3:10 pm to
Bear was a good coach, but he would be on probation constantly nowadays
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 3:27 pm to
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Revelator


C'mon man.
Posted by Broken Coyote
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 3:45 pm to
"The same thing wins that always won...."-Paul Bryant

Coach Bryant won in the 50s, the 60s and the 70s, while coaching a variety of schools with varying degrees of support. There were radical changes in those decades, in football and in the world and he ended his career as the winningest coach in Div 1A college football.

You can change the X's and O's all you want, but the thing that wins football games is the same thing that won football games when there were only skinny white guys playing.

In an interview some years ago (Mid-late 90s), Pat Dye was asked this same question, about rule changes, scholly limits, and modern athletes (which is always PC speak meaning black urban kids). Dye said Bryant wouldn't just do well, he would dominate.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/2/11 at 4:32 pm to
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"The same thing wins that always won...."-Paul Bryant


...We just have a bunch of different excuses when we lose.


Bryant would win today. He was a better coach than Paterno or Bowden. If you are using those two coaches as an example of how coaches can't adapt to the "modern" game, you are making a mistake. Bryant would win today just like he did in the 50s , 60s, and 70s.


He would be able to get what he wanted out of his players. Paterno and Bowden were seen as doddering old men. Bryant was a force of nature even to his last game at Bama. I'm pretty sure that most of his players still thought an 80 year old Bryant could whip their asses if he wanted to. Some people command respect in any era, and I think Bryant was one of those people.

As far as being able to adapt to modern schemes, Bryant would surround himself with intelligent coordinators and would adapt. He did it several times over the years. There is no reason to think he wouldn't do it today.

With his personal life, he would have to change. No more Chesterfields on the sideline, no more John Barleycorn at practice, no more private hotel room to take care of his manly needs. He would have to adjust. That would be the hardest part. It would be difficult to maintain his mystique in the 24/7/365 information age.

Posted by Schwaaz
Member since Sep 2009
7375 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 4:34 pm to
= LSU fear of Bama.

When Chip Kelly gets the National Coaching Award named after him then come back.
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