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re: Which of these is easiest to accomplish
Posted on 6/28/11 at 5:07 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 6/28/11 at 5:07 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I was told by a friend that Making the NCAA tournament in basketball is equivalent to going to a bowl game.
More like making a postseason tournament in basketball is equivalent to going to a bowl game. There are 347 teams in division 1-A college basketball and only 68 of those teams that make the NCAA tournament. If there was a similar percentage for CFB, only 24 teams would be making bowl games every year. Hell, it's actually much easier to make a college football bowl game than to make a postseason basketball tournament. If the CFB teams made bowl games at the same ratio that CBB teams make postseason tournaments, there would be 48 teams playing in bowl games. I wouldn't mind that one bit.
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Posted on 6/28/11 at 5:13 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
I would say bowl game is easiest.. mainly because all you have to do is win half your games to go 6-6.. 4 of those being gimme games (for most SEC teams). You know what you have to do to get in, and there is rarely any doubt whether you make one or not at the end of the year.
Baseball and Basketball is left up to a selection committee which looks at a lot of different factors such as rpi, and is also subject to bias. There is no solid line you have to meet to know you get in.. unless you are good enough to get AQ. Depends alot on how well other teams do and is in less of your control, which is why some good teams get royally screwed out of it every year.
ETA: unless your Ole Miss, then it is equally difficult to make it in all 3.
Baseball and Basketball is left up to a selection committee which looks at a lot of different factors such as rpi, and is also subject to bias. There is no solid line you have to meet to know you get in.. unless you are good enough to get AQ. Depends alot on how well other teams do and is in less of your control, which is why some good teams get royally screwed out of it every year.
ETA: unless your Ole Miss, then it is equally difficult to make it in all 3.
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 6/28/11 at 5:22 pm to Bench McElroy
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There are 347 teams in division 1-A college basketball
I knew there were a lot, but I didn't know that many. I suppose I could have googled it, but let's face it - I'm lazy.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 5:38 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Speaking from an SEC team's view:
Easiest: baseball
Next: football
Last is basketball
There isn't the same level of interest in college baseball across the country as the other two sports which means spots aren't as competitive.
SEC bowl tie ins make it to where a 6 win season virtually guarantees a bowl spot.
Basketball is the hardest.
Easiest: baseball
Next: football
Last is basketball
There isn't the same level of interest in college baseball across the country as the other two sports which means spots aren't as competitive.
SEC bowl tie ins make it to where a 6 win season virtually guarantees a bowl spot.
Basketball is the hardest.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:44 pm to Bench McElroy
the "basketball is hardest" theory is failed logic.
There may be 340 D-1 basketball teams, but nobody is sweating 3-4 teams from the SWAC being "Tourney Tough" each season. And there are alot more bullshite conferences like the SWAC out there playing D-1 ball.
Facts are:
50% of BCS conference teams make the NCAA Tourney every season. That half of the Tourney spots going to only 20% of the teams in college basketball every year.
That leaves the bottom 80% of college basketball- roughly 275 teams- competing for 34 spots every year. And alot of that is your auto-bid teams like the SWAC that are one and done nearly every season.
If you are a BCS school- getting to the NCAA Tourney is not that hard.
There may be 340 D-1 basketball teams, but nobody is sweating 3-4 teams from the SWAC being "Tourney Tough" each season. And there are alot more bullshite conferences like the SWAC out there playing D-1 ball.
Facts are:
50% of BCS conference teams make the NCAA Tourney every season. That half of the Tourney spots going to only 20% of the teams in college basketball every year.
That leaves the bottom 80% of college basketball- roughly 275 teams- competing for 34 spots every year. And alot of that is your auto-bid teams like the SWAC that are one and done nearly every season.
If you are a BCS school- getting to the NCAA Tourney is not that hard.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:48 pm to CoonassBulldog
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If you are a BCS school- getting to the NCAA Tourney is not that hard.
Then why don't more SEC schools make it on a yearly basis not named Kentucky?
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:50 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
paul and trent find the 2nd two options pretty difficult to accomplish
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:51 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Then why don't more SEC schools make it on a yearly basis not named Kentucky?
Even Kentucky didn't make it a few years ago.
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:52 pm to CoonassBulldog
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If you are a BCS school- getting to the NCAA Tourney is not that hard.
I don't give a shite about college baseball. but it's definitley harder to get an at large bid than make a bowl game. especially if you play a shite OOC schedule. in football that is rewarded with a bowl game.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:53 pm to ohiovol
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Even Kentucky didn't make it a few times the past 5 years.
More like one time in the past 20 seasons.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:53 pm to ohiovol
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Even Kentucky didn't make it a few times the past 5 years.
It was just one year, but still when was the last time LSU or Georgia didn't make a bowl game
Either 9 or 10 SEC teams make bowl games every year and only 3 or 4 basketball teams have made the NCAA Tourney the last few years.
Coonass didn't seem to use that in his argument.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:55 pm to Bench McElroy
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More like one time in the past 20 seasons.
Already fixed it.
To be fair, it has to be a lot easier when the rest of the conference doesn't care as much about the sport.
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:55 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
99 for LSU
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:56 pm to heartbreakTiger
I think its a lot more difficult to get an at large bid to the NCAA tournament than it is to make a bowl game for SEC schools.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:58 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I think its a lot more difficult to get an at large bid to the NCAA tournament than it is to make a bowl game for SEC schools.
You can schedule awful teams for a third of your games, and you only have to win 2 other than those, so it's not too hard if you're okay with making your OOC an abortion.
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 6/28/11 at 7:59 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Either 9 or 10 SEC teams make bowl games every year and only 3 or 4 basketball teams have made the NCAA Tourney the last few years.
Other conferences can get a lot of teams in.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 8:02 pm to ohiovol
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Other conferences can get a lot of teams in.
So you think if every SEC school beefs up their OOC schedule that will result in more SEC teams making the NCAA tournament?
Posted on 6/28/11 at 8:02 pm to ohiovol
But your point is still correct. The NCAA tournament is much more difficult to get into than making one of the 475 bowl games that are out there. No team with any self-respect should consider playing in a bowl game with a 6-6 record a successful season. But making the NCAA tourney in basketball counts for something even though it has gotten watered down the last several years.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 8:05 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
yea id agree with that. 6-6 gets you a bowl game, that is 2-6 in conf if you win all your ooc games.
basketball you need about 20 wins give or take and sometimes even that isn't enough because the secwest drags you down. also way more teams in college basketball than spots in the tourny as compared to football teams vs bowl slots.
the other issue is a committee deciding on who gets in so conference perception matters. bowls mostly have tie ins so you get to the 6-6 record in a big conf and you are in.
bowls are by far the easiest to get into, then baseball and hardest is basketball
basketball you need about 20 wins give or take and sometimes even that isn't enough because the secwest drags you down. also way more teams in college basketball than spots in the tourny as compared to football teams vs bowl slots.
the other issue is a committee deciding on who gets in so conference perception matters. bowls mostly have tie ins so you get to the 6-6 record in a big conf and you are in.
bowls are by far the easiest to get into, then baseball and hardest is basketball
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/28/11 at 8:07 pm to heartbreakTiger
Here's an example of how easy it is to get into a bowl game.
2010 Kentucky was 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC) and they made a bowl game
2010-11 Alabama won over 20 games and 2as 12-4 in the SEC and was left out of the NCAA tournament
I dont see how anybody can say its harder to make a bowl game, or even say the two are even.
2010 Kentucky was 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC) and they made a bowl game
2010-11 Alabama won over 20 games and 2as 12-4 in the SEC and was left out of the NCAA tournament
I dont see how anybody can say its harder to make a bowl game, or even say the two are even.
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