re: Which Iron Bowl win was the most unlikely for Auburn

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The "Amazings" for the win. We couldn't have scored an offensive touchdown against that bammer D if we had 6 more quarters to do it.

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Six quarters doesn't even begin to tell the story. They could have played the rest of the weekend.

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That improper call that allowed Auburn time to kick a field goal

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The tears are like 24k gold-plated caviar set in a bed of european white truffles.

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Being at the 2013 it was baffling D.Nussmeier didn't call more deep passes other than the 4th quarter 99 yarder to Cooper.
It was there the whole time.

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We were so predictable inside their 40 in the 2nd half, too. Fvckin infuriating.

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Benching Kenyan Drake for the whole second half was a frick-up too. Maybe he did something to really deserve it though, idk

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I love KD but 2013 KD was a pretty big moron. I still vividly remember when he ran the wrong way on a handoff in 2012 or 2013 in garbage time and I thought Saban was going to shank him.

1972 and 2013 beat all I have ever seen. ‘72 was lightening striking twice in the same place.

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Another tidbit about 1972 it was the last year of non-standardized SEC scheduling. Bama played 8 league games, went 7-1 Auburn played 7 went 6-1, but Bama won SEC on winning %. UGA, Florida, UK, Ole Miss, Miss State also played 7 games. LSU/TENN/Vandy played 6 league games that year. Part of the problem was Tulane and GA. Tech were supposed to be on teams schedules with 6 games but them dropping out of the SEC 7 years earlier was still impacting SEC scheduling. Starting in 1974, SEC went to standard 5-1 schedule, 5 permanents and 1 rotation among the 4 non-permanent SEC teams.

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Huh!? There was no rotating schedule in the SEC until the expansion in 1992 because there were no divisions until 1992.

There was a Six SEC Game Minimum Rule until 1980 when it became a Six SEC Game Minimum/Maximum Rule. Resulting in Bama and Ole Miss playing the only two regular season games in SEC history between members that did not count in the standings. Both had scheduled seven SEC games in 1980 and 1981 and rather than cancel their games they were played as OOC games.

No, there was a rotating schedule starting in 74. LSU played permanents Bama, Florida, UK, Ole Miss, Miss. State, TENN 74/75/ Vandy 76/77, UGA 78/79, Auburn 80/81. LSU-TENN came back on the schedule in 82/83, Vandy/84/85. UGA 86/87 but starting in 88 the SEC added a game going to 7 game schedules, so TENN rotated on for 88/89 along with Auburn for 88/89.

6 game schedules were the standard from 74 to 87, 88 to 91 was a 7 game standard schedule, the 8 game split division format started in 1992 with the Arky and SCAR expansion.

Check it out, go do a search on Alabama 1974 schedule. Now, some teams may have played each other in a season to play a quality team from region, but it was not a conference game. I think Alabama/Ole Miss did that a few times in the 70's and early 80's when it was not a league game.

You are the one that needs to check the records. Other than the Minimum/Maximum Rules, the SEC had absolutely NOTHING to do with scheduling until 1992. The teams made out their own schedules.

What part of my statement about 1980-81 Bama-Ole Miss do you not understand? They are the ONLY regular season SEC games EVER played that did not count in the standings. Bama and Ole Miss scheduled 7 SEC games in 1976-77 and again in 1980 and 1981. All seven were counted in the 1976-77 seasons.

You need to take a look at the Record Book. Check the footnotes on 1980-81 on pg.122. You will not find similar footnotes anywhere in the Record Book.
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You are the one that needs to check the records. Other than the Minimum/Maximum Rules, the SEC had absolutely NOTHING to do with scheduling until 1992. The teams made out their own schedules.

What part of my statement about 1980-81 Bama-Ole Miss do you not understand? They are the ONLY regular season SEC games EVER played that did not count in the standings. Bama and Ole Miss scheduled 7 SEC games in 1976-77 and again in 1980 and 1981. All seven were counted in the 1976-77 seasons.

You need to take a look at the Record Book. Check the footnotes on 1980-81 on pg.122. You will not find similar footnotes anywhere in the Record Book.

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No need to get upset. My point was that in 1974, there was some standard rotation put in place. You are correct, prior to 1974, the SEC only had a minimum/maxium you could play. There were times in the 50's LSU played 7 games, I think one year under Dietzel LSU played 8.

I remember the 76-77 season, saw both LSU-Bama/LSU-Ole Miss games in Tiger stadium as grade school kid.

The way scheduling has always worked is teams would make schedules 5-8 years out. So if Bama/Ole Miss had put the 76-77 game as a 7th game for both teams before the SEC went to a standardized type schedule in 1974 (lets say they voted on it the year after Ole/Miss made their respective 1976/1977 schedules, The 76-77 Bama/Ole Miss games were grandfathered in. The Alabama/Ole Miss 1980-1981 games were booked after the SEC voted to standardize the schedule.

As I already noted in my previous post, LSU had a standardized schedule from 1974 to 1987 (6 game) and 1988-1991 (7 game). For LSU to have a uniform standardized Schedule, all other teams had to as well. Starting in 1974, the only teams that played more league games than anyone else (non-standardized schedule) were Bama and Ole Miss in 1976-1977.

1974 LSU season with conference standings, all teams 6 SEC games.

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1975 LSU season everyone with 6 league games

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1976 LSU season, Bama and Ole Miss both with 7 SEC games

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1977 LSU season, Bama/Ole Miss 7 SEC games

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1978 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1979 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games.

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1980 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1981 LSU season all teams 6 SEC games

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1982 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1983 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1984 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1985 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1986 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1987 LSU season, all teams 6 SEC games

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1988 LSU season, all teams 7 SEC games

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1989 LSU season, all teams 7 SEC games

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1990 LSU season, all teams 7 SEC games

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1991 LSU season, all teams 7 SEC games

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So the research you suggested is linked above. I obviously did not go review the 9 other SEC teams schedules from 74-91, but LSU's schedule was 1) Uniformly standardized starting in 1974, 2) Bama/Ole Miss played 7 league games in 76-77 and those are the only 2 games during the period 1974 to 1987 (6 game uniform format) that were played and counted. The 1980-1981 Bama/Ole Miss games were not counted

So in summary, my belief is 1) Alabama and Ole Miss scheduled the 1976-1977 7th SEC game (and many teams did this, LSU did it in the 40's and 50's before they started playing Texas A&M on a year to year basis, much closer than some Eastern SEC teams, etc) before the SEC voted to adopt a Uniform Schedule starting in 1974

2) The Alabama/Ole Miss 1980-1981 Games were scheduled after the SEC voted to adopt a Uniform SEC schedule starting in 1974.

So for example (hypothetically), Alabama/Ole Miss schedule the 1976-1977 games in 1970. One year later in 1971, the SEC votes to adopt a Uniform schedule starting in 1974. The SEC grandfathers in the Bama/Ole Miss 1976-1977 games since they were scheduled before the league adopted Uniform rules. Some time in 1977/1978, Alabama and Ole Miss agree to play a home and home as a non SEC game.

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Which Iron Bowl win was the most unlikely for Auburn
Now you are saying the same thing I am saying. Now you are saying standard instead of rotating. You have finally realized there could be no rotating because there wasn't any divisions.

The standard was a six game minimum and no matter how you spin it there never was a maximum until 1980. It was passed in 1980 and immediately put into force in 1980. If the SEC had EVER allowed anything to be Grandfathered-in, then the 1980-81 Bama-Ole Miss games should have been allowed to count in the standings because they were certainly scheduled prior to the rule being implemented.

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No there was a rotation, again starting in 1974, LSU played Bama/Florida/UK/Ole Miss/Miss.State every year, those 5 schools along with Tulane were the ones LSU had played most in the SEC since 1935. In 74/75 LSU played TEEN, 76/77 Vandy, 78/79 UGA, 80/81 Auburn, then starting in 82/83 TENN rotated back on with Bama/Florida/UK/Ole Miss/MSU. So between 1974 and 1983, LSU played Bama/UF/UK/Ole Miss/MSU every year, and TENN in 74/75 then again in 82/83, in 84/85 Vandy rotated back on, 86/87 UGA, in 1988 SEC went to 7 games, and Auburn rotated back on but TENN came back on in 88 and 89 with Auburn.


As for the grandfather rule, Bama/Ole Miss must have scheduled the 1976-1977 series before the SEC voted on the uniform schedule. So lets assume they scheduled the 1976-77 series in 1970. In 1971, the SEC voted to start uniform scheduling in 1974, but since Alabama/Ole Miss had already scheduled those games as SEC league games, the SEC grandfathered them in. So some time after 1974, Ole Miss and Alabama schedule the 1989-1981 series, but this series was booked after the SEC had voted to standardize the schedules starting in 1974. Thus, the 1980-1981 Bama/Ole Miss games counted as OOC games.

I will go look at Alabama's schedule history from 1974 to 1991 on wikipedia to see if Bama's schedule had a rotation pattern similar to LSU's. My guess is starting in 1974, Alabama played LSU, Auburn, TENN, MSU and Vandy every year and rotated teams in some format (taking into account the 76-77 games as 7th league games).