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re: Where does JFF rank in the top SEC QB's the last 5 years?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:35 pm to TTsTowel
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:35 pm to TTsTowel
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Except that Cam Newton carried a team, that was worse that the team Johnny Manziel played on in 2012, to the National Championship.
This is a much better argument than just saying the championship itself means Cam was better. I don't accept your premise that 2010 Auburn was a worse team than A&M 2012. If that's true, A&M's competition was much more difficult than Auburn's 2010 competition.
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Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:37 pm to KaiserSoze99
They are very comparable teams. Each had a heisman trophy winner, great o line, playmaker on the d line and not much in the secondary
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:37 pm to TTsTowel
not saying jff was better. but yes the TD argument is bull shite. manziel would have more TDs if he didnt come out early in half of our SEC games. not that it makes him better, but that one particular argument is a bad one
This post was edited on 7/12/13 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:40 pm to hawgfaninc
If he wins a national title, he has to be above Newton because he will have equaled his accomplishments plus broken his single season yardage record. He may not be regarded as a better college player than Tebow simply due to total volume of work unless he says another year or two, but he's already a better quarterback.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:40 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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They are very comparable teams. Each had a heisman trophy winner, great o line, playmaker on the d line and not much in the secondary
That's probably true.
At the same time, the argument that A&M had an easier schedule weakens a bit.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:41 pm to WestCoastAg
The whole come out thing is something all players have to deal with. Nobody hangs 70 on people through the air or with qb scramble shite.
You could also say jff benefited his states by having toget in shootout with la tech because ur d couldn't stop them.
The stats are the stats. Could have doesn't count
You could also say jff benefited his states by having toget in shootout with la tech because ur d couldn't stop them.
The stats are the stats. Could have doesn't count
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:42 pm to KaiserSoze99
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I don't accept your premise that 2010 Auburn was a worse team than A&M 2012. If that's true, A&M's competition was much more difficult than Auburn's 2010 competition.
Like the poster above said, they're very similar teams, but 2010 AU went undefeated against tougher competition. The West was stacked that year.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:43 pm to TTsTowel
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Except that Cam Newton carried a team, that was worse that the team Johnny Manziel played on in 2012
This is such bullshite.
All we've heard for the last six months is "A&M has nobody but Johnny" and "Just wait until Johnny leaves, you have nothing else". We have been hearing about how awful the rest of our team is, and how many games we would have lost wihout Manziel last year, all spring ad summer.
You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:43 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:would be relevant if we werent only talking about SEC games
You could also say jff benefited his states by having toget in shootout with la tech because ur d couldn't stop them.
quote:except when were were on pace to do so to mizzou and auburn
Nobody hangs 70 on people through the air or with qb scramble shite.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
Klarvin has a point...
This post was edited on 7/12/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If he wins a national title, he has to be above Newton because he will have equaled his accomplishments plus broken his single season yardage record. He may not be regarded as a better college player than Tebow simply due to total volume of work unless he says another year or two, but he's already a better quarterback.
If he wins a national title at A&M he is the greatest of all time past and future, because we have been assured that such a feat is IMPOSSIBLE by certain LSU fans.
You may be right, but just because he equaled Cam's accomplishments does not necessarily mean he is better for several reasons, one being that Cam only had one year to accomplish what will take JFF at least two. Flip side, JFF was only a freshman. (back and forth and back and forth)
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If he wins a national title
Not happening unless he transfers to Texas.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:46 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Like the poster above said, they're very similar teams, but 2010 AU went undefeated against tougher competition. The West was stacked that year.
How can that be true, based on the results? It appears to me that A&M faced tougher competition because A&M lost 2 games.
(HINT: I don't buy my own argument above)
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:47 pm to WestCoastAg
I am saying no coach allows their players to run up the score like that. If a qb puts his team up 35 or so, even if he stays in the game, the rb's start grinding the game down. Every qb deals with "could have had more if we had kept airing it out up a bunch". So the argument doesn't hold water IMO.
All I am saying are the stats are the stats. What could have happened doesn't figure into the discussion.
All I am saying are the stats are the stats. What could have happened doesn't figure into the discussion.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:48 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Not happening unless he transfers to Texas.
Asshurt?
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:51 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:except when we still aired it out even when manziel would get pulled
If a qb puts his team up 35 or so, even if he stays in the game, the rb's start grinding the game down
quote:when someone looks at the stats, there has to be context. yes stats are the stats, but manziels situation was different that the other 2.
What could have happened doesn't figure into the discussion.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:You've been trolled, too.
All we've heard for the last six months is "A&M has nobody but Johnny" and "Just wait until Johnny leaves, you have nothing else".
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:52 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I am saying no coach allows their players to run up the score like that. If a qb puts his team up 35 or so, even if he stays in the game, the rb's start grinding the game down. Every qb deals with "could have had more if we had kept airing it out up a bunch". So the argument doesn't hold water IMO.
I agree with this.
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All I am saying are the stats are the stats. What could have happened doesn't figure into the discussion.
Disagree with this.
If a player's stats show how good they are, but the dogs are called off and he can't show his full ability, he is being cheated. Likewise, if a player has a shitty defense, or throws a bunch of picks, and has to stay on the field all day long, that doesn't make him better than the guy riding the pine in the 4th quarter with a 30-point lead.
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:54 pm to KaiserSoze99
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How can that be true, based on the results? It appears to me that A&M faced tougher competition because A&M lost 2 games.
Negative. A&M lost two games because:
a) Cam > JFF
b) Gus >>>>> Sumlin
Posted on 7/12/13 at 12:56 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Negative. A&M lost two games because:
a) Cam > JFF
b) Gus >>>>> Sumlin
Zero jimmies rustled.
The adults are talking. Run along.
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