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re: What does Florida need to do to get relevant again?
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:37 pm to UFMatt
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:37 pm to UFMatt
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We are still relevant. Just one bad yr doesn't make make you irrelevant, although we do need to improve the offense. No national championships since 1980 makes you irrelevant. Right UG fans? Or 9 straight losses to UF, right Tenn fans?
Please enlighten me. At what number do straight losses to a rival make you irrelevant, then?
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Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:38 pm to MrTwoBits
run a spread
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:40 pm to MrTwoBits
Muschamp should have looked a little deeper at the Pease resume. He was awful at UK and he had a pretty decent QB to work with.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:42 pm to MrTwoBits
As an outsider I think this may be a leadership issue. The offense is a major problem for two years running now and that speaks to at least the coordinator if not the head coach and the talent they have brought in. Losing to Vandy isn't a talent gap IMO, more likely it is a lack of good leadership within the team (I know that's a knee jerk assumption to some extent).
I was really impressed with Boom last year. I thought him winning as many games as they did with the limitations they had spoke to his enormous potential as a coach. I'd feel like a hypocrite to completely reverse myself and question his abilities one year later but if Florida isn't significantly better on at least offense next year (or more importantly victories) the finger will ultimately point at the head coach more than anyone else.
I was really impressed with Boom last year. I thought him winning as many games as they did with the limitations they had spoke to his enormous potential as a coach. I'd feel like a hypocrite to completely reverse myself and question his abilities one year later but if Florida isn't significantly better on at least offense next year (or more importantly victories) the finger will ultimately point at the head coach more than anyone else.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:46 pm to molsusports
It's really simple. We have not QBs, WRs or TEs that frighten anyone. Get some skill players and it's like magic.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:47 pm to molsusports
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The offense is a major problem for four years running now and that speaks to at least the coordinator if not the head coach and the talent they have brought in.
FIFY
I agree with the second paragraph.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 3:57 pm to MrTwoBits
Why does Pease need to go? UF's offensive line has been the worst in the conference for four years. Yes, I am including Kentucky. What do you expect Pease to do when the Gators can't move anyone at the point of attack or pass block at all? This, on top of the fact the QB situation is dreadful, the RBs are pedestrian, and there's not a single WR that is above average.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:00 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:Uh... No. Kelvin Taylor is a stud. The fact he barely played before the injuries is laughable.
the RBs are pedestrian
quote:Again, no. I'm going to really miss Solomon Patton.
there's not a single WR that is above average
quote:It wouldn't be if we actually played to Driskel's strengths instead of his weaknesses. I mean, there's not much you can do with Mornhinweg in there, but the offense was abysmal before the injuries.
This, on top of the fact the QB situation is dreadful
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Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:09 pm to MrTwoBits
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they almost beat Missouri
41-26 bro. 41-26...
they didnt "almost" do anything.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:10 pm to roadGator
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It's really simple. We have not QBs, WRs or TEs that frighten anyone. Get some skill players and it's like magic.
Hard to imagine how that happened at Florida.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:15 pm to MrTwoBits
Get rid of Pease, hire Al Borges.
Don't have 40 injuries and be on your 3rd string backup QB.
Get Boom to lower his BP and actually coach the entire team instead of just the defense.
Don't have 40 injuries and be on your 3rd string backup QB.
Get Boom to lower his BP and actually coach the entire team instead of just the defense.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:23 pm to GatorsGators
Again, no. I'm going to really miss Solomon Patton.
Well, out of all the WRs that have played at UF, Solomon Patton is certainly one of them.
Well, out of all the WRs that have played at UF, Solomon Patton is certainly one of them.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:33 pm to MrTwoBits
This reminds me of some of our threads after last season. Everyone wanted Pinkel fired, the OC fired, and the program blown up.
1. Take a deep breath. You've had SO many injuries this year, just like we did last year. No team is going to meet expectations, or play to its full ability, when it's that beat up.
2. Was this Pease's first or second year as OC? I think second? The thing you don't want to see is a revolving door there. That hurts recruiting and stability. We got rid of our OC, but he'd been in his position for 5 years or so. Before you fire Pease, consider how the injuries may have hurt his offense this year. Can he get it done? I don't know, but you don't want a revolving door at OC.
3. How's your recruiting looking at QB? That needs to be a key area of focus. As does your line. You also need improvement at the skill positions, especially receiver IMO.
4. If you decide to replace Pease, who would you go for? Is there anyone in your program ready for that position? Keeping stability will be important for your current players.
Florida will rebuild, I have no doubt. I think Muschamp is just struggling - he's a defensive coach, and offense doesn't come so naturally to him. But he's a very good coach. He'll get it together.
1. Take a deep breath. You've had SO many injuries this year, just like we did last year. No team is going to meet expectations, or play to its full ability, when it's that beat up.
2. Was this Pease's first or second year as OC? I think second? The thing you don't want to see is a revolving door there. That hurts recruiting and stability. We got rid of our OC, but he'd been in his position for 5 years or so. Before you fire Pease, consider how the injuries may have hurt his offense this year. Can he get it done? I don't know, but you don't want a revolving door at OC.
3. How's your recruiting looking at QB? That needs to be a key area of focus. As does your line. You also need improvement at the skill positions, especially receiver IMO.
4. If you decide to replace Pease, who would you go for? Is there anyone in your program ready for that position? Keeping stability will be important for your current players.
Florida will rebuild, I have no doubt. I think Muschamp is just struggling - he's a defensive coach, and offense doesn't come so naturally to him. But he's a very good coach. He'll get it together.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:14 pm to MrTwoBits
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What does Florida need to do
WM's gonna have to dump his 'win the TOP, win the game' mindset. He seems so paranoid that the offense is gonna screw up and place the defense in a bad position that he refuses to take any chances at all. I think UF is ranked in the 100's in most offensive categories, but by God they are #1 in TOP.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 11:10 pm to semotruman
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semotruman
What does Florida need to do to get relevant again?
This reminds me of some of our threads after last season. Everyone wanted Pinkel fired, the OC fired, and the program blown up.
1. Take a deep breath. You've had SO many injuries this year, just like we did last year. No team is going to meet expectations, or play to its full ability, when it's that beat up.
2. Was this Pease's first or second year as OC? I think second? The thing you don't want to see is a revolving door there. That hurts recruiting and stability. We got rid of our OC, but he'd been in his position for 5 years or so. Before you fire Pease, consider how the injuries may have hurt his offense this year. Can he get it done? I don't know, but you don't want a revolving door at OC.
3. How's your recruiting looking at QB? That needs to be a key area of focus. As does your line. You also need improvement at the skill positions, especially receiver IMO.
4. If you decide to replace Pease, who would you go for? Is there anyone in your program ready for that position? Keeping stability will be important for your current players.
Finally a poster with some common sense.
A breath of fresh air. I am in the camp of giving Pease another year at this point...but that will be Booms decision to make...not the ADs or monied folk that scream for heads.
We took a total of 51 players with us to Columbia (no not CoMo) and that included a few walk ons. you cannot expect an OC to have success for long with numbers like that and we had jumped on top of the cocks and played our hearts out...as we did in all our losses except Mizzou where we had our brains kicked and a large part of it was missing 2 DTs after already losing Easley...we were toast.
No outside OC is going to want to come to UF with job security on the line after just 1 year and UF cant offer a long term contract because of the strong possibility that a new coach if hired would want his own staff. I think Boom is going to surprise folks next year and if he fails..I will be the first to hold the door open and wish him well.
Next year we play LSU, UK, Mizzou and USC at home plus the WLOCP plus Vandy at Nashvegas plus Tuscaloosa for our matchup with Saban.
Some of the teams are replacing qbs, Bama, UGA, LSU making them suspect. Driskel will be r/s junior and I think will surprise folks...UF 10-2 or 11-1.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:25 am to MrTwoBits
Honestly- Florida better be careful about what it does. You're in a dangerous situation right now.
2 programs to compare/contrast to, that you face every season:
1) LSU. Miles stepped into Saban's spot and reeled off 3 consecutive top five finishes, including a BCS title. You could say Meyer left Fla in about the same shape Saban left LSU (a good run with a bad recruiting class the last season), maybe a little better if anything. Certainly the roots were in place. Muschamp has blundered and raged his way to one good season in his first three, and even that one finished in a disturbing way (how could the Gators not be hungry in that Sugar?). Certainly not the mark of a new coach establishing his program, like you had hoped. In contrast, LSU in the first few years under Miles was skull-dragging their bowl opponents.
2) Tennessee- here's the dilemma. You replaced Meyer with Muschamp, and things aren't so wonderful right now. Swing and miss again, and you risk copying the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley catastrophe that destroyed the Volunteers; too much instability in a highly competitive field, and you lose all continuity in your program. Those recruits you seem to chase, they'll go somewhere like Fla St, or a stable SEC rival, because the guys who recruit them will still be there when they graduate high school.
Don't know the answer; Muschamp doesn't look ready right now, but you may have to ride him a couple more years, unless there's a "can't miss" coach ready to land in your lap.
2 programs to compare/contrast to, that you face every season:
1) LSU. Miles stepped into Saban's spot and reeled off 3 consecutive top five finishes, including a BCS title. You could say Meyer left Fla in about the same shape Saban left LSU (a good run with a bad recruiting class the last season), maybe a little better if anything. Certainly the roots were in place. Muschamp has blundered and raged his way to one good season in his first three, and even that one finished in a disturbing way (how could the Gators not be hungry in that Sugar?). Certainly not the mark of a new coach establishing his program, like you had hoped. In contrast, LSU in the first few years under Miles was skull-dragging their bowl opponents.
2) Tennessee- here's the dilemma. You replaced Meyer with Muschamp, and things aren't so wonderful right now. Swing and miss again, and you risk copying the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley catastrophe that destroyed the Volunteers; too much instability in a highly competitive field, and you lose all continuity in your program. Those recruits you seem to chase, they'll go somewhere like Fla St, or a stable SEC rival, because the guys who recruit them will still be there when they graduate high school.
Don't know the answer; Muschamp doesn't look ready right now, but you may have to ride him a couple more years, unless there's a "can't miss" coach ready to land in your lap.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 2:32 am to MrTwoBits
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.I'm willing to see who we hire for OC before saying it's time to go.
lololololololololololololol
okay so your head coach isn't responsible for your shite poor offense?
gotcha..
Posted on 11/23/13 at 3:05 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I can't believe Alabmaa wanted Pease over Nussmeier.
I could be OC and get the same results.
Run ball, screen pass and mix in one or two PA deep passes a game.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 3:37 am to MrTwoBits
Fire Joker, or at least uninstall photoshop from his computer.
Move the entire university out of Gainesville.
Stop selling jorts in the bookstore.
Start paying more attention to the kids with potential, instead of getting the most fully developed high school athletes that may have already peaked.
Ask Urban to come back.
Move the entire university out of Gainesville.
Stop selling jorts in the bookstore.
Start paying more attention to the kids with potential, instead of getting the most fully developed high school athletes that may have already peaked.
Ask Urban to come back.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 4:21 am to hashtag
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Not have 10 players lost due to injury for the entire season, with 7 of them being starters?
I don't think the offense was going to be worth a shite either way.
Edit: I definitely wouldn't fire Muschamp. Give him at least one more year. It's not like his tenure has been a complete failure. If Florida could get any semblance of an offense they would be a good team.
Or maybe A&M and Florida should just switch off offense and defense.
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 4:33 am
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