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re: Was this the best secondary in SEC history?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:59 am to TigerSkin12
Posted on 4/15/13 at 11:59 am to TigerSkin12
2010 LSU DB unit:
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Patrick Peterson- 5th overall pick in 2011
Morris Claiborne- 6th overall pick in 2012
Tyrann Mathieu- 2-3 round pick in 2013
Tharold Simon- 3-4 round pick in 2013
Ron Brooks- 3rd round pick in 2012
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Brandon Taylor- 3rd round pick in 2012
Craig Loston- unknown where he can be drafted next year
Eric Reid- Should be a first round pick in 2013 or early second
Jai Eugene- undrafted
non homer pick- I must admit, these guys always made me nervous
CB
Patrick Peterson- 5th overall pick in 2011
Morris Claiborne- 6th overall pick in 2012
Tyrann Mathieu- 2-3 round pick in 2013
Tharold Simon- 3-4 round pick in 2013
Ron Brooks- 3rd round pick in 2012
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Brandon Taylor- 3rd round pick in 2012
Craig Loston- unknown where he can be drafted next year
Eric Reid- Should be a first round pick in 2013 or early second
Jai Eugene- undrafted
non homer pick- I must admit, these guys always made me nervous
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 12:02 pm
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:10 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Nope. 2010 LSU Secondary by a mile
I'm only listing the good ones. Not going through all of them.
But just off the top
Patrick Peterson >>>>>> Dee Millner
Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne >>>>> Mark Barron
Patrick Peterson (#5 overall pick '11)
2010 Bednarik Award Winner
2010 Thorpe Award Winner
2010 First-Team All-American
2010 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 Southeastern Conference Special Teams Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Defense (AP, Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Special Teams (Coaches)
2010 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference All-Purpose (AP)
2009 Second-Team All-America (Sporting News)
2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
Morris Claiborne (#6 overall in '12)
2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2010 Second-Team All-SEC
Tyrann Mathieu (Projected 2nd-3rd rounder)
2011 Heisman Memorial Trophy Finalist
2011 Bednarik Award Recipient
2011 Walter Camp National Player of the Year Finalist
2011 First-Team All-American at Cornerback
2011 First-Team All-American at Return Specialist
2011 National Defensive Player of the Year
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year
2011 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference
2011 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player |
2011 Cotton Bowl Defensive Most Outstanding Player
2010 First Team Freshman All-America
2010 Freshman All-Southeastern Conference
Ron Brooks- 4th Rounder
Tharold Simon- projected 3rd-5th rounder
Eric Reid- Projected late 1st-mid 2nd rounder
2012 First Team All-American (AFCA Coaches, FWAA, ESPN, ESPN.com, Scout.com)
2012 All-SEC First Team
2012 SEC Academic Honor Roll
2011 Second-Team All-American (Rivals.com)
2011 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference (AP)
2011 SEC Academic Honor Roll
Brandon Taylor- 3rd rounder
I'm only listing the good ones. Not going through all of them.
But just off the top
Patrick Peterson >>>>>> Dee Millner
Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne >>>>> Mark Barron
Patrick Peterson (#5 overall pick '11)
2010 Bednarik Award Winner
2010 Thorpe Award Winner
2010 First-Team All-American
2010 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 Southeastern Conference Special Teams Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Defense (AP, Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Special Teams (Coaches)
2010 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference All-Purpose (AP)
2009 Second-Team All-America (Sporting News)
2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
Morris Claiborne (#6 overall in '12)
2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2010 Second-Team All-SEC
Tyrann Mathieu (Projected 2nd-3rd rounder)
2011 Heisman Memorial Trophy Finalist
2011 Bednarik Award Recipient
2011 Walter Camp National Player of the Year Finalist
2011 First-Team All-American at Cornerback
2011 First-Team All-American at Return Specialist
2011 National Defensive Player of the Year
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year
2011 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference
2011 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player |
2011 Cotton Bowl Defensive Most Outstanding Player
2010 First Team Freshman All-America
2010 Freshman All-Southeastern Conference
Ron Brooks- 4th Rounder
Tharold Simon- projected 3rd-5th rounder
Eric Reid- Projected late 1st-mid 2nd rounder
2012 First Team All-American (AFCA Coaches, FWAA, ESPN, ESPN.com, Scout.com)
2012 All-SEC First Team
2012 SEC Academic Honor Roll
2011 Second-Team All-American (Rivals.com)
2011 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference (AP)
2011 SEC Academic Honor Roll
Brandon Taylor- 3rd rounder
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:12 pm to lsutothetop
Sorry stats are for losers!
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:13 pm to VFL1800FPD
I would take PP7, Claiborne or Mathieu any day over Berry in college football. And it's not close at all.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:16 pm to Tigah32
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Mathieu any day over Berry in college football. And it's not close at all.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:20 pm to Tigah32
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I would take PP7, Claiborne or Mathieu any day over Berry in college football. And it's not close at all.
and now we know why you aren't a college football coach.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:22 pm to Tigah32
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Patrick Peterson >>>>>> Dee Millner
Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne >>>>> Mark Barron
I might give you Peterson over Milliner, but Kirkpatrick was a way better "corner" than Mathieu, and cant compare Claiborne versus Barron because one is a corner and the other is a safety.
Patrick Peterson >>>>>> Dee Millner
Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne >>>>> Mark Barron
I might give you Peterson over Milliner, but Kirkpatrick was a way better "corner" than Mathieu, and cant compare Claiborne versus Barron because one is a corner and the other is a safety.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:17 pm to Tigah32
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Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Do we count overall play (as in returns)?
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Morris Claiborne > Mark Barron
Fixed
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Patrick Peterson >> Dee Millner
Fixed
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:19 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Just out of curiosity, how many Bednarik Awards does Kirkpatrick have? How about Eric Berry? Peterson and Tyrann both own one.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:43 pm to therick711
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how many Bednarik Awards does Kirkpatrick have
None, but he's better in coverage than TM7, and it's not a debate. TM7 is a better player though, no denying that.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:45 pm to pvilleguru
quote:Berry was the best safety in college football in the last decade but Mathieu was the biggest defensive play maker in the past decade. Berry didn't even win the Bednarik in his best season (09)
pvilleguru
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:47 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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None, but he's better in coverage than TM7, and it's not a debate. TM7 is a better player though, no denying that.
I'd agree with this. TM7 was a huge play maker in the secondary, but his overall cover skills weren't the greatest. He just had great instincts.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:49 pm to BIG DADDY 73
quote:Oh really? How man touchdowns did Mathieu give up in 11? NONE. Mathieu was a play maker defensively and on special teams. Dre was a decent corner with good size.
Kirkpatrick was a way better "corner" than Mathieu
quote:You're a moron if you don't.
I might give you Peterson over Milliner
quote:You can grade them at their positions. And Claiborne would clearly win.
and cant compare Claiborne versus Barron because one is a corner and the other is a safety.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:51 pm to Tigah32
Gino Torreta won a Heisman. An award does not make a player better than another.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:51 pm to SofaKingTrill
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I'd agree with this. TM7 was a huge play maker in the secondary, but his overall cover skills weren't the greatest. He just had great instincts.
His cover skills being less than excellent is a talking point. His coverage skills are quite good. As a matter of fact those recruiting him thought he had "unbelievable" cover skills.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:53 pm to nc14
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Gino Torreta won a Heisman. An award does not make a player better than another.
No it sure doesn't. The better player wins the award. Mathieu and Kirkpatrick were contemporaries. If the group that selects that award wanted to give the award to Kirkpatrick, they certainly could have, no?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:53 pm to Tigah32
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Berry didn't even win the Bednarik in his best season (09)
You don't see your flaw in thinking this way?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:57 pm to pvilleguru
quote:Mathieu changed the momentum in HUGE games. West Va( Top 10 team), Oregon(#4 at the time) and Arkansas(#3 at the time)
pvilleguru
Eric Berry's Tennessee went 7-6
If he can ever stay healthy I believe Berry will become the best safety in the league, but too many confuse professional potential with college results.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:59 pm to Tigah32
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Eric Berry's Tennessee went 7-6
There's 22+ STARTERS on a football team. It's not his fault his team lost 6 games.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:00 pm to therick711
Oh I see, you have a huge bias here. Carry on.
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