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Posted on 8/26/18 at 4:25 pm to 14&Counting
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Said no one ever
Okay. Because you know what everybody in the world is saying, right?
Could be they were trolling. I don't know. But whether you believe it or not makes absolutely zero difference to me.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 4:29 pm to Rillo
Everyone knew he was a great recruiter. The real question is would he be as good of a head coach as he appears to be had he not studied under Saban?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 4:36 pm to labamafan
quote:Is that a real question? Of course he's better learning from the best.
The real question is would he be as good of a head coach as he appears to be had he not studied under Saban?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 5:40 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Like who?
Cam, Deshaun Watson, Eric Berry off the top of my head. There are countless others.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 5:42 pm to SneakyWaff1es
Well not every coach under Saban has had this kind of success either. I am curious to see what Mario does at Oregon and what Pruitt can do at Tennessee. If they become successful then I think you can attribute a lot of that success to Sabans ability to teach coaches.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 5:43 pm to DawgsLife
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DawgsLife
quote:He's doing a great job. He was a very good DC at Bama, it's just that most, me included, believe JP was a better DC. But DC/OC and HC, while there is overlap, are two different things. But yeah, Kirby's doing a great job.
Either way. I think Kirby and his staff are recruiting and coaching lights out at Georgia. We are quite happy with him.
The OP asked the question as to whether KS's impact was undersold at Bama. My answer is "definitely not". There is some revisionist history. KS did a good job as DC, but Saban is dependent on no assistant. Great recruiters are at a premium, but no one has been Cristobal or Tosh to this point - though Locksley and Gattis may become that. But Bama did well before MC and has afterward, though he is missed as a recruiter. To lose Tosh, as a recruiter, would be tough, but Bama will go on when he leaves. Not that they aren't qualified, but IMO, recruiting is why Tosh and ML are coordinators. Tosh has Golding to help and ML has Enos and Gattis.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:27 pm to tattoo
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JP was a better DC and recruiter, it does not mean he would be a better HC.
Not according to Nick Saban. And we’re the only other program that’s had both as coaches. Kirby’s king.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:48 pm to VADawg
Berry was a UT legacy. Saban lost Jameis Winston to FSU, and Jack West most recently to Stanford. At end of the day, Richt got the pick of the litter of GA talent.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
I'll put it another way. The last 5* offensive lineman Richt recruited was John Theus in 2012, and he was from Jacksonville. I couldn't tell you the last 5* OL Richt got from Georgia (Mitch Hyatt going to Clemson is another huge whiff by Richt's staff). On a related note, Georgia's offensive lines sucked for the most part from 2012 until last season. And even the national title game showed they weren't there yet because they couldn't blast away in the run game to kill the clock. But the OL recruiting has improved tremendously under Kirby.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:57 pm to RollTide4Ever
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At end of the day, Richt got the pick of the litter of GA talent.
yet somehow had holes all over the roster
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:25 pm to dcbl
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Pruitt is a better DC
Most Bama fans think Pruitt's style -aggressive but with emphasis on protecting the secondary- was a better fit than Kirby's reactive style. People had gotten a little fed up with the D giving up big completions on 2nd & 3rd and long. This is something that UGA fans will start to tire of especially after last year's NC game.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:38 pm to Paul B Ammer
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People had gotten a little fed up with the D giving up big completions on 2nd & 3rd and long. This is something that UGA fans will start to tire of especially after last year's NC game
We dealt with Martinez (3rd and Willie) and Grantham (oh hey, 2013 LSU) doing this. I can't imagine a Kirby defense being that goddamn bad on 3rd down. Especially at the talent level he's recruiting at.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:49 pm to BhamDore
I agree, JP is a better DC than Kang Kirby. Say what you want but that 2nd and 26 was typical Kirby. He let a true freshman come in at half time in basically a home game and lost / choked the game away after having a double digit half time lead. Hell the BAMA kicker even choked and tired to give Kang Kirby the game and he still blew it. Great recruiter but AVG to below AVG coach.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:02 pm to BamaCajunMan
Bama had a major talent advantage in the game, and one of bama's beasts on the DL took the game over.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:08 pm to 14&Counting
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Kirby was a a good recruiter......but I think Pruitt was a better DC than Kirby.
I liked what I saw of Pruitt better but I like a more aggressive defense and will be called a homer for choosing Pruitt anyway. As for recruiting, I think folks are forgetting that it's not just that Kirby and Pruitt both went back to back but that each of them also took folks with them.
Also, Kirby is recruiting UGA's home state when everyone in the state is super-excited after last season. Of course, Bama (and everyone else who recruits Georgia) is going to suffer a little bit when the hot new thing appears to be in-state.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:53 pm to VADawg
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I can't imagine a Kirby defense being that goddamn bad on 3rd down
One of the stats posted when Kirby left was how bad the D was the end years before he left on 3rd down against Power 5 opponents. Kirby would stuff the run on 1st down, get new incomplete on 2nd, but give up a 21 yard pass on 3rd down. What saved him in 2015 was the incredible pass rush Bama had. Unless UGA gets better at rushing the passed they will have the same problem. However, Kirby won't have Saban's resume to shield him from criticism.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 11:01 pm to Rillo
Rather have Pruitt than Smart. Recruiting is probably equal but Pruitt is more agressive as DC.
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