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Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:19 pm to Smokeyone
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:19 pm to Smokeyone
That’s fair. But there were still gays in the 80s, and it definitely wasn’t in vogue then. Heck there were gays in Ancient Rome.
I can’t prove it’s biological, but that is at least an ongoing and contested topic. There’s not a “gay gene” but there is some evidence & genetic predisposition like the ring finger vs index finger length etc.
It’s just odd to see people suddenly accusing gays of hopping on the gay bandwagon because it’s cool to be gay now — I’m sure it has happened, but a lot of people still really struggle with coming out / with their families.
If mental disorder vs choice are the only two options I’d actually prefer to see people call it a mental disorder over framing gays as “pretending to be attracted to the same sex to look cool”.
I don’t think you can fake your sexual orientation long term, that’s like pretending to enjoy a repulsive meal.
Like I said, I’m sure it has happened. But we gotta be talking a very small percentage of “homosexuals”.
The reason you see more of it now could just be that we decided to accept them. And if some straight guy is willing to f*ck dudes to take advantage of some sort of social benefit… more power to em?
Like I said, can’t prove it - just seems unlikely.
I can’t prove it’s biological, but that is at least an ongoing and contested topic. There’s not a “gay gene” but there is some evidence & genetic predisposition like the ring finger vs index finger length etc.
It’s just odd to see people suddenly accusing gays of hopping on the gay bandwagon because it’s cool to be gay now — I’m sure it has happened, but a lot of people still really struggle with coming out / with their families.
If mental disorder vs choice are the only two options I’d actually prefer to see people call it a mental disorder over framing gays as “pretending to be attracted to the same sex to look cool”.
I don’t think you can fake your sexual orientation long term, that’s like pretending to enjoy a repulsive meal.
Like I said, I’m sure it has happened. But we gotta be talking a very small percentage of “homosexuals”.
The reason you see more of it now could just be that we decided to accept them. And if some straight guy is willing to f*ck dudes to take advantage of some sort of social benefit… more power to em?
Like I said, can’t prove it - just seems unlikely.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 1:38 pm
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:22 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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I can’t prove what I’m about to say, but I believe the vast majority of gay folks are truly just born gay. Just anecdotally I know a few very conservative couples with some very gay kids who you could tell were obviously going to be gay from surprisingly early on.
I agree to a certain point, but not long ago studies estimated that about 6% of the population was gay. They are now saying among the young (whatever the new generation is called these days.
) 20% are identifying as gay. Newsweek reported that 40% identify as gay. Now, either something is in the water, or there is a large number of kids today that are saying, "Hey, I'm gay!" for whatever the reason. Attention...rebelliousness, or whatever. I mean, the phenomenon is not new. Kids have been trying to rebel and shock their parents and establishment forever. Further, more and more are not identifying as gay/straight, man/woman. Why, all of a sudden? I mean, it could be argued that they feel more free to do so with less judgement, I guess, but it would almost be crazy considering the polls are typically done anonymously.
I mean, I am hearing of men identifying as being lesbian women.
I used to joke that I was a lesbian trapped in a man's body. It's not really a joking matter anymore. Then we get into the people who identify as something. I mean, it is to the point that what do with someone who identifies as Abraham Lincoln? We already are telling people if they identify as a black woman (and they are obviously a white male) we must treat them as a black woman.
Read an article where a woman identified as a blind person and put her own eyes out. She said she felt like sh should have been born blind. Does she now qualify for disability?
Or people who identify as animals?
Another person identifies as a cloud.
Here is a small list of things that people are identifying as:
Agender
Androgyne
Bigender
Butch
Cisgender
(Sorry. Accidentally hit enter. I will edit)
Gender expansive
Genderfluid
Gender outlaw
Genderqueer
Masculine of center
Nonbinary
Omnigender
Polygender and pangender
Transgender
Trans
Two Spirit
and it goes on and on...I mean if we can imagine it we can be it.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:25 pm to Smokeyone
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Is it a choice? There is zero scientific evidence of any genetic predisposition towards homosexuality. The other option is a mental disorder. The majority are most likely making a choice the rest have a mental disorder.
This isn't true AT all. There is no straight gene and there's also no gay gene. However there are genetic components to both.
Homosexuality is also found in nature. Are Bonobos making life choices?
Did anyone here wake up and say "I'm going to be straight?" If you did, I have even more questions.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:29 pm to r2d2
Actually he can drink whatever he wants. Period.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:30 pm to Prof
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Homosexuality is also found in nature.
I do have an objection to this argument. just because something is found in nature does not make it normal or correct or a viable thing to do as humans. I mean there are things in nature in which a female kills the male after mating and eats him. There are all kinds of things in nature that simply are not normal or acceptable in humans.
quote:However there are cases of people waking up and saying I am gay after living their entire lives as a male or female heterosexual.
Did anyone here wake up and say "I'm going to be straight?" If you did, I have even more questions.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Here is a small list of things that people are identifying as:
Agender
Androgyne
Bigender
Butch
Cisgender (Sorry. Accidentally hit enter. I will edit)
I admit that I can be a pathetic bleeding heart… but yea idgaf about anyone’s pronouns or any of this hyper progressive gender obsessed BS. I also don’t understand trans, endorsing a surgical sex change seems like cheering on an anorexic person for not eating — is that really helping?
I think you are wise to at least consider that acceptance has resulted in people being more honest and forthcoming about this stuff (with others and themselves).
But I will admit that it’s equally possible all the fake righteousness has resulted in an actual uptick in homosexuality — only because I cannot prove otherwise …I just find it so hard to believe that a straight person could be “influenced” into a sexual orientation — I knew I liked women by the time I was like 4 lol.
Enjoyed your thoughts.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:42 pm to Prof
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This isn't true AT all. There is no straight gene and there's also no gay gene. However there are genetic components to both.
No hard scientific evidence to suggest a genetic component to homosexuality. Trust me, if there was Asian, African, and especially Middle Eastern nations would use that information to remove that gene from the gene pool. You are delusional if you believe otherwise.
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Homosexuality is also found in nature. Are Bonobos making life choices?
Asserting dominance by mounting is not proof of homosexuality in nature.
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Did anyone here wake up and say "I'm going to be straight?" If you did, I have even more questions.
You are presenting a false equivalency. The deviation from the norm requires the choice. And if we grant your false equivalency then, we all have our fetishes. I like short busty reds heads, and I have since I was 2 with a Scottish nanny that was 5’3, redheaded, and large boobs. While I married a 5’5 redhead with nice tits, and usually dated in the same range, I also dated blondes, brunettes, girls with dyed hair….
And then theirs the fact that until recently most people with homosexual fetishes also dated and had sex with members of the opposite sex. I dated a girl in highschool that had a gay mom that had been married and had a couple of kids with a gay man. It’s not like the choice is beyond their control (ie a genetic mutation).
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:45 pm to DawgsLife
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I do have an objection to this argument. just because something is found in nature does not make it normal or correct or a viable thing to do as humans. I mean there are things in nature in which a female kills the male after mating and eats him. There are all kinds of things in nature that simply are not normal or acceptable in humans.
True but we too are animals. It points to sexuality's biological aspect with is often denied with regard to human sexuality. The rest of your statement is about human ethics and morality and the choices we make as humans.
From an ethical standpoint we should examine harm and consent when judging straight and/or gay and/or other relationships. But by and large, it's not the sexuality of a relationship that makes one harmful but more specific things like consent, abuse, etc. IOW, a gay relationship can be harmful just as a straight one can depending upon the particularities of that relationship but I have a hard time condemning anyone's relationship as long as it's consensual.
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However there are cases of people waking up and saying I am gay after living their entire lives as a male or female heterosexual.
Most would admit they were always gay or say that they didn't understand why nothing was fulfilling until they realized their sexuality. They were just trying to be straight because straight is the default answer and life is a helluva lot easier being straight. Or maybe they were bi all along. That's really only something they can answer. Sexuality tends to be a spectrum. For most people, they are on either the left or right of that spectrum but some inhabit a space in between.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:47 pm to DawgsLife
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Genderfluid
This one kills me. I’m old enough to remember gender-fluid being a polite term for literal fluid, a squirter (female) or cum (male) leaving gender fluid on the sheets.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:55 pm to Prof
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Most would admit they were always gay or say that they didn't understand why nothing was fulfilling until they realized their sexuality. They were just trying to be straight because straight is the default answer and life is a helluva lot easier being straight. Or maybe they were bi all along. That's really only something they can answer. Sexuality tends to be a spectrum. For most people, they are on either the left or right of that spectrum but some inhabit a space in between.
Maybe is a wishy washy answer and not a legitimate scientific answer to settle a question.
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True but we too are animals. It points to sexuality's biological aspect with is often denied with regard to human sexuality
It points to toxic dominance that we attempt to rise above as thinking, reasoning apes. Or in the best cases it points to an incredibly rare deviation from the norm and a genetic dead end. And since it’s a best an observational fact and not a biologically studied and explained occurrence.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:56 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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I just find it so hard to believe that a straight person could be “influenced” into a sexual orientation — I knew I liked women by the time I was like 4 lol.
People ahve been influenced against their nature in all kinds of instances. There have been people influenced to commit suicide, for example. (Obviously this is the big one) But people are influenced financially into bankruptcy, marrying the wrong kind, shoot even some gay men claim they were influenced to marry and have children with women. When people are young (think preteen through teen years) their brains are not fully developed to fully understand the consequences of their decisions and actions. That doesn't happen until around 25 or 26 years old. And some don't fully develop at any point. That is why people do stupid stuff and take wild chances that puts their lives in peril.
I honeslty don't have answers, and I don't fully trust a lot of studies, since many contradict each other and some have been shown to be highly biased. It's gotten that we can't fully trust anybody these days.
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Enjoyed your thoughts.
Thank you. I really try to be fair while not compromising my beliefs and values.
I will say this. I do believe many so called Chistians miss th amrk. I do believe that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin, but it also teaches that we are to love everybody and treat everybody with respect. Christians do no have to accept that behavior or the actions....but should love the person, regardless.
It's the old "Hate the sin, love the sinner." thing. Don't have to accept the sin, but should love the sinner, if you will.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:57 pm to Smokeyone
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This one kills me. I’m old enough to remember gender-fluid being a polite term for literal fluid, a squirter (female) or cum (male) leaving gender fluid on the sheets.
Oh, man! Thanks. now I won't ever be able to see that again without thinking of what you said.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:05 pm to DawgsLife
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Thanks. now I won't ever be able to see that again without thinking of what you said.
Try this one, males in skinny jeans just misunderstood the concept of getting in a girls pants.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:09 pm to Prof
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True but we too are animals.
Yes, but there are many actions in humankind that is not normal or acceptable. I mean serial killers, rapists, pedophiles and so on. just because something exists in the animal kingdom does not make it normal or acceptable. Even when it comes to sex there are tons of things that are not normal or acceptable. Furbies? Fetishes? Many we send to psychiatrists to correct these behaviors. For some reason, we have taken on the idea that everything goes and must nor only be accepted but must be celebrated openly.
I mean, since when must we subject children to drag queen shows, or any other sexual demonstration?
Psychologists now are saying that pedophilia is a combination of nature and nurture. So, because they are born that way, does that make the behavior acceptable or that is should be tolerated?
Psychology Today
Psychopaths are primarily born with something off in their brains. Instances have been observed and can be determined as early as 3 years old. There are many behaviors that we not only find shocking, but abhorrent that people are born with or, at the very least develop at a very young age. To merely wave it off as "They were born that way." does not make it acceptable.
Ok. It's been interesting sharing thoughts, beliefs and ideas with you guys, but this conversation has run it's course for me. Y'all have a good day. I am ready to get back to sports, for now!
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:10 pm to Smokeyone
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Try this one, males in skinny jeans just misunderstood the concept of getting in a girls pants.
That I can easily agree with. Why anybody thought skinny jeans were a good idea is beyond me! Have a good one, Smokeyone!
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:57 pm to DawgsLife
You don't have to be a Democrat to be a liberal as anyone that believes in any kind of liberty is a Liberal. Conservatism is just another word under the umbrella of liberalism.
Marxism couldn't work the traditional way of social class inequality like it did in other nations as the poor class here in America are fat and unmotivated.
So the pigs had to come up with a different plan and that was to rile up the LGBTQ and the blacks.
The Democrats were never historically liberal unlike the Republicans who freed the slaves, gave blacks the right to vote and gave women the right to vote. You can't be a liberal if you opposed all that which the Dems did.
Yes it is true that they like to hid under the identity as a liberal but ignorance is bliss because the average Dem voter is the most uninformed voter in the nation. They have no clue of what they are supporting and what they support greatly opposes classic liberalism.
Marxism couldn't work the traditional way of social class inequality like it did in other nations as the poor class here in America are fat and unmotivated.
So the pigs had to come up with a different plan and that was to rile up the LGBTQ and the blacks.
The Democrats were never historically liberal unlike the Republicans who freed the slaves, gave blacks the right to vote and gave women the right to vote. You can't be a liberal if you opposed all that which the Dems did.
Yes it is true that they like to hid under the identity as a liberal but ignorance is bliss because the average Dem voter is the most uninformed voter in the nation. They have no clue of what they are supporting and what they support greatly opposes classic liberalism.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 5:25 pm to dchog
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anyone that believes in any kind of liberty is a Liberal.
The lies we tell ourselves. The next left winger I meet that is in favor of self determination (ie liberty/freedom) will be the 1st. 47 years on this planet, lived in a dozen countries, dealt with every manner of human there is, and liberals wanting to tell everyone how they need to live is truly a universal truth. And they truly believe it’s for our own good.
Moderate right wing society is the only place you find freedom.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 5:41 pm to Smokeyone
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Moderate right wing society
I think the vast majority would agree. But the fringe, most extreme 5% on both sides dominate public discourse and shape the narrative. And those in power are happy to take advantage of this to enrich themselves, rather than strengthen the middle class/country at large.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 5:46 pm to r2d2
Yeah just like the woke troll saban
Posted on 6/17/23 at 5:47 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Oh shut up you a probably Dylan boyfriend anyways
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