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re: Was Landon Collins as good as advertised?
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:39 pm to TreyAnastasio
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:39 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Sunseri didn't start a single game this year. The starters are HCD and Lester.
Caught up in semantics? How about this? If Sunseri can play as much as he does for this Bama defense, there is NO reason why Collins couldn't have started for this defense, and the question in the OP was defensible, and probably a pretty good one.
Talk about continuously missing the point.
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Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:41 pm to therick711
HCD was in the same role last year as LC is in this year. Once LC learns the playback, he will start. It's obviously not a talent issue.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:42 pm to TreyAnastasio
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HCD was in the same role last year as LC is in this year. Once LC learns the playback, he will start. It's obviously not a talent issue.
You obviously follow it more closely, but isn't Sunseri this year like HCD last year if your previous post was accurate?
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:44 pm to therick711
quote:I don't remember saying anything about LSU but whatever.
So LSU can do it, but Bama can't? Come on
quote:You are right that he is not in the same world athletically as many of the other guys on our team, but not everything is about athletic prowess. There is a mental aspect that he was obviously able to get down quickly enough for him to see playing time last year. He was not a starter since he played behind Mark Barron and Robbie Lester.
The point was acting like a freshman can't start for this Bama squad's defense is ridiculous when it already starts Sunseri, who isn't even in the same world as the other 10 guys who get to start on that squad.
quote:Most likely.
I think we all know that should the light come on for LC, he will displace Sunseri.
ETA: I just wanted to make sure that you are aware that Sunseri is not a freshman.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:46 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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You are right that he is not in the same world athletically as many of the other guys on our team, but not everything is about athletic prowess.
I know you guys support your players and team unconditionally, but are you guys serious that you think he brings more to the table then he removes from it when he is out there? You guys can't really be serious.
LSU had a guy named Danny McCray. He played over a bunch of young guys. He struggled mightily. No LSU fan would say that it isn't all about athletic prowess. No LSU fan would tell you that his mental game and nuances were so far and away that he had to play. Players play. Nuance getters coach.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:47 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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ETA: I just wanted to make sure that you are aware that Sunseri is not a freshman.
No fricking shite? Are you serious? He isn't a freshmen? Come on.
Of course I know that, dumbass. The point is he isn't in the same league as the other players on that defense and the argument that a freshmen couldn't displace him is laughable.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:48 pm to therick711
If it is a complicated defense and Sunseri has an extra year of experience over a true freshman, then it is not unreasonable to ask Sunseri to get the PT while LC learns the system. WHat good would LC do if he is blowing coverages all the time because he doesn't have the system down completely?
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:49 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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If it is a complicated defense and Sunseri has an extra year of experience over a true freshman, then it is not unreasonable to ask Sunseri to get the PT while LC learns the system. WHat good would LC do if he is blowing coverages all the time because he doesn't have the system down completely?
See the point about Danny McCray that already addresses those points. Players play. Nuance getters coach. Just like Daddy does (I guess "did" now).
Also, technically, as an early enrollee, he has even more time in the system. You know who else has a lot of time in that system, Hunter Bush. Where is his minutes?
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:50 pm to therick711
Sunseri is in the same role as he was last year. HCD only played mop up and ST
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:51 pm to therick711
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but isn't Sunseri this year like HCD last year if your previous post was accurate?
NO sunseri is not anything like HCD. btw, last year HCD didnt play over walk-on Will Lowery. this year Collins didnt play over Sunseri. clearly, the better athlete does not always play. if you are fast and dont know what to do, then you just wind up getting out of position faster. one more thing, TJ Yeldon was the best player in Alabama last year, not Kwon Alexander.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:53 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:Rivals has Jameis Winston as the #1 recruit from Alabama last year. That is the guy I was originally thinking of but got my facts mixed up.
one more thing, TJ Yeldon was the best player in Alabama last year, not Kwon Alexander.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:53 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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TJ Yeldon
Is the perfect argument for you guys. Yeldon is the superior back. I'm thinking only Lacy's family would try and refute that (not to say Lacy doesn't have a role in a world where Yeldon is the bell cow). Notice how the best player doesn't always play. Now, isn't it possible that Landon is the best player and he still doesn't play over Sunseri?
That is all I'm saying.
ETA: the argument that a freshmen couldn't play for a defense that gives Sunseri a ton of time, is not a viable one. There must be another reason. QED.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:54 pm to therick711
You can say whatever you want, but I have a hard time believing the coaching staff wouldn't put the players on the field who they thought gave them the best chance to win.
ETA: We never said a freshman could not start. Just that the likely reason LC was not starting over Sunseri was that Sunseri had something to offer that LC did not (in this case actually knowing the playbook). Most everyone expects LC to take over.
ETA: We never said a freshman could not start. Just that the likely reason LC was not starting over Sunseri was that Sunseri had something to offer that LC did not (in this case actually knowing the playbook). Most everyone expects LC to take over.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:56 pm to therick711
Give Saban a call. Sounds like he is confused about Vinnie and Landon. I'm sure he could benefit from your insight.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:57 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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You can say whatever you want, but I have a hard time believing the coaching staff wouldn't put the players on the field who they thought gave them the best chance to win.
"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know."
Do you know why this idiom is an idiom and how it might apply to this situation? Is it not possible that they take the limited upside along with knowing exactly what he can and cannot do over a guy that is probably better and probably would give you a better chance to win?
Why do coaches punt on 4th and 1 in two possession games when trailing? They do it to avoid criticism. It has nothing to do about doing what gives you the best chance to win. That is lazy thinking. Coaches make tons of decisions that have little or even nothing to do with expanding the opportunity for victory.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:58 pm to Bwbama
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Give Saban a call. Sounds like he is confused about Vinnie and Landon. I'm sure he could benefit from your insight.
You are such a fricking moron, you can't even have a conversation about why the statement "Player X can't start because it is a National Championship caliber defense" without completely missing the point and bringing in inapplicable banalities. I feel sorry for whoever has to converse with you IRL. It must be quite the chore.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:59 pm to therick711
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Is the perfect argument for you guys.
Yeldon was 3rd string at the start of the season. Injuries forced him into more playing time. Also, playing RB is much different than playing Safety for Saban, much more responsibility
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Now, isn't it possible that Landon is the best player and he still doesn't play over Sunseri?
sure its possible. Barron was a better player than Woodall, HCD was a better player than Lowery, Collins is probably a better player than Sunseri.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 5:59 pm to therick711
If Landon Collins was as awesome as his ego was, then he WOULD have played more, he didn't, and thus, the non "too much Bama in me crowd" can only base it off his stats. Which... lookie here were weak like Jesse legs.
He may do well in 2 or 3 years..
Duvall is the beast from LA we'll miss but snapped Kwon , so it's a push
He may do well in 2 or 3 years..
Duvall is the beast from LA we'll miss but snapped Kwon , so it's a push
Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:00 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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sure its possible. Barron was a better player than Woodall, HCD was a better player than Lowery, Collins is probably a better player than Sunseri.
BINGO. So, I believe that I have made my point that the argument that Bama's D is good that no freshmen could have started in the defensive backfield is wrong. I think Landon's mental game will sharpen up and he will fulfill at least some of his promise.
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:01 pm to therick711
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Is the perfect argument for you guys. Yeldon is the superior back. I'm thinking only Lacy's family would try and refute that (not to say Lacy doesn't have a role in a world where Yeldon is the bell cow). Notice how the best player doesn't always play. Now, isn't it possible that Landon is the best player and he still doesn't play over Sunseri?
I must be related to Lacy then. Yeldon is very good, but Lacy is better when fully healthy, for now. I have seen Bama play every snap, not just the last minute vs LSU. Maybe you missed the SECCG where both got carries and Lacy got MVP.
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