re: UNC Leadership Favors SEC

quote:

---

This, according to a Board of Trustee friend of mine

---

Lol sure sure

quote:

---

The ACC is in the position it is in because of unc. Unc , was for years the bully of the ACC and acted like the rulers of the conference.

---

Between inviting Texas and considering North Carolina the SEC is at risk of being the refuge of expensive broken toys that play poorly with others.

Further expansion destroys the pretense of being a conference. We haven't figured out how to schedule with 16 teams. Adding two or more additional teams doesn't make that any easier.

quote:

---

2012, UNC has had a standing offer to join both the BIG and the SEC. This, according to a Board of Trustee friend of mine. In 2012, the only choice of leadership was the BIG. Now, things have changed.

---

The only standing offer the tarholes have had is to the wine and cheese board. Uncheat is nothing but a woke school of washed up pu55ies.

Those “wine and cheese” fans everyone ridicules have supported the athletic program so that UNC has the third highest athletic endowment in the nation (only behind Stanford and ND). But they don’t paint their faces or bark like dogs on game day so they’re not “real fans.”

quote:

---

Y'all left because of academics. Be truthful, at least.

---

That is partially true ... because the ACC tobacco road crowd (mainly UNC,Wake, Duke and NC State) skewed the rules to their advantage. It cost us Freddie Soloman and one of the finer basketball talents in the country at the time and the tobacco road crowd did it following our ACC football and basketball championships.

The ACC later lost their bullshite 800 rule in Federal Court, which benefited Clemson greatly.

There's a lot more to the story but my thumbs are tired and I'm watching the Lincoln Lawyer.

quote:

---

UNC is barely top 50 in viewership. NC St has more fans

---

They definitely have more avid fans, more football fans for sure. I'd be surprised if they don't average 10k or more home fans for their football games.

Both are decent baseball programs.

UNC is one of the big two or three (along with Kentucky and Kansas) in men's basketball and both of their women's teams are respectable.

I've been to both stadiums a bunch of times (dating back to the 60s). NC State has a pretty cool venue since their big upgrades 20 years or so ago.

UNC's is meh.

Frank McGuire hated NC State ... when he had the House that Frank Built, built, he insisted it hold one more person than NC State's at the time. If my memory serves me right it was 12,401 (which was huge at the time) verses NC State's 12,400.

Coach Dietzel, whom I loved and was a great man ... he always said he didn't hate UNC but, after the Freddie Soloman thing, he despised them beyond what he felt a good Christian man should do. He once said on my show that when he went to the Williams-Brice family for the money to upgrade what was then Carolina Stadium ... he agreed to split the donation with Clemson just to be a stick in the eye to UNC knowing UNC was still going-to have-to deal with Clemson yearly.

Clemson fans like to claim historical greatness, but until they got that money, won the federal lawsuit against the ACC over the 800 rule, and they hired Cheatin' Charlie Pell and then his Protoge Danny Ford ... if I am not mistaken Clemson's and Carolina's rivalry was damn near deadlocked in the modern era, 1945-1976 or 77 when Grantz threw a beatin' on them, they hired Pell ... the rest is history. They spent the next 10 years on probation (after their Championship) and until Ford was fired in 87 or 88 I think it was ... but don't quote me on the exact year.

Irony is that it was UNC who brought all the heat down on Ford and Clemson. Denny something or other, their head coach, got caught on a hot mic after a game having to deal with Ford accusing him of turning them in to the NCAA.

Anyways, I could probably recall more if I tried and thought abput it for awhile.

SC has owned UNC since joining the SEC..

Clemson has done very well, same reasons as FSU, but it's all catching-up with them in a hurry as they revenue stream landscape has changed.

One last thing about Coach Dietzel. He loved SC ... was our AD as well as our coach, and I'll never forget part pf the great speech he gave about trusting him to leave the ACC ... he said one day we would be in the SEC and he lobbied for it harder than anyone when the time came.

Also, just to set the record straight, Arkansas and SC were the SEC's 5th and 6th choices.

The SEC wanted UTa and A&M out west, the Eastern teams wanted Miami and FSU. Miami wanted the ACC for academics and basketball. UTa and A&M ran into road blocks with a common governing board (I never understood how that works) that prevented A&M from leaving without UTa and visa versa. (I believe Ok and OK St had a similar problem for awhile about splitting up) ... but anyways, it worked out great for Arkansas and SC although Arkansas actually had a B12 option at the time ... Coach Broyles wanted the SEC and what Coach wanted coach got.

There's a whole lot more details to it all but it's all worked out for the best and, in the end, FSU and Clemson will never be in the SEC.

A comet will strike or extraterrestrial aliens will land before it ever happens.

And yes, for us old SC fans, we hate UNC almost as much as Clemson ... perhaps worse at times.

The SEC would be making a horrible mistake inviting UNC into the league. Virginia, their culture, their culture is as cuck soy boy statue tearing down shitshow as anywhere else in the worst liberal progressive schools in the country. We've played them a bunch of times ... not so long ago in football and baseball. Their fans are the epitome of snobby DC belt cucks. They really couldn't care less about their sports as a whole ... oddly enough, except for perhaps their baseball.

quote:

---

This, according to a Board of Trustee friend of mine.

---

Probably the funniest thing I've ever read on this board

quote:

---

is is nonsense.

When the SEC expanded in 1990, they weren't even set on 12 teams being the final number. They were open to 14 or 16 if the right teams agreed to join. Look it up.

---

I don't have to look it up ... I lived it.

You just repeated exactly what I said ... Kramer wanted 16 teams if he got the ones he wanted and he wanted FSU, Miami for the East and UTa and A&M for the West.

I alluded to the Texas legislature but it was really about legislators who were alumni of both schools who had a common governing body at the time.

The SEC never invited Miami because Miami told them they were going-to the ACC for reasons I stated.

The SEC never officially invited FSU, matter of fact they voted against FSU but it was common knowledge that they only did that when they found out Bowden and FSU was going to accept the ACC invite the next day.

I am not aware of the politics involved between Arkansas and the two Texas schools. I know Broyles was not a huge fan of someone associated with Texas at the time, even though the Arkansas-Texas Rivalry was a real thing for a lot of years ... a big time rivalry. I jumped a ball in there in the late 80s.

I believe it was Rick Perry, at least according to Nikki Haley and him, that lobbied so hard to get A&M in the SEC while running roadblocks against UTa legislators who tried to prevent it. But who knows what to believe from those two ... they're politicians.

You have to factor in the overlap of viewers between all of these schools, that is the difference. How many South Carolina fans, as well as other SEC fans are already watching some Clemson games vs how many UNC fans are watching current SEC games. Where is the growth potential the most?