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re: UGA's AD is pissed about Covid cancellations.Wow,he's growing balls 3 weeks before retires
Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We're not gonna talk about how 6 Quarterbacks have left the program early in the last five years?
(Eason, Fields, Bennett, Fromm, Newman, Mathis)?
Eason - got injured, was outperformed by Fromm. Was he supposed to just hang around for back up duty? This was a reasonable departure by any measure.
Fields - reasonable criticism for Kirby's handling of his time at UGA... no one argues otherwise other than a few Fromm fanboys. Doesn't mean he should have been starting over Fromm for the 18 season, but if he was the 2nd string, there was no excuse not to insert him in the LSU game before things got out of hand but when it was clear that Jake wasn't having his best outing.
Bennett - so we're now calling PWO leaving to go on scholarship somewhere else an "early departure"... JFC you're a fricking transparent douche. Kirby was attempting to effectively manage his roster by asking Bennett to wait until year 3 before consuming a scholarship (to avoid the IC hit, the same as the way Hot Rod earned his in year 3)... Of course, the mishandling of Fields and the subsequent transfer put us in a spot where we needed a QB last minute and they felt he could help us. Given that he came in and patched up the holes as best as you might expect of him this season, that was a pretty good decision to bring him back.
Fromm - People screamed til they were blue in the face that UGA needed to transform their offense... So Kirby hired a new OC and Fromm didn't know whether that would necessarily be the best thing for him... ultimately, the draft grades all came back that the things he needed to "improve" on weren't things that another year in college would have fixed. While it sucked for us, it was the right decision for him to leave also... He also started for 3 years for us... calling that early departure is a little disingenuous isn't it? What was one more year in college going to do for his NFL draft resume?
Newman - is it really early departure if you get a grad transfer and then they never play a game? It was the right decision to go get him... without more specific details on the why, what does his departure say about the room? Objectively, the receiver talent appears to be there this season. The OC is scheming plays to have wide open targets. Newman appears to have made a poor decision and his draft grade is suffering as a result.
Mathis - Mutually beneficial for him to leave at this stage... Did you see something different than the rest of us with regards to his level of preparedness for SEC football after a year of no football activity?
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:55 pm to fibonaccisquared
Them's a lot of words for:
"Kirby can't develop Quarterbacks at his program."
To avoid the cheap semantic escape hatch: Can't hire someone to develop QBs.
"Kirby can't develop Quarterbacks at his program."
To avoid the cheap semantic escape hatch: Can't hire someone to develop QBs.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:55 pm to RD Dawg
So not only are dawg fans racist but they’re homophobic too? I’m shocked
Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I love the attempts to redirect things back to Mullen, but the conversation is about how 6 quarterbacks have transferred or left early, 1 was developed and regressed the longer he stayed at Georgia, 2 never started and 3 looked mediocre at best.
Mullen won ten games with Franks and won the East with Trask. Was Tebow's QB Coach. Was Brian Johnson's QB Coach. Coached up Dak Prescott, even Nick Fitzgerald had 99 career Touchdowns. The guy can clearly get it done with Quarterbacks.
Mullen had NINE fricking years as a head coach of a head start and multiple years as an OC... and you're wanting to grade Kirby (previously a DC) on the same scale exclusively related to QB accomplishments? Talk about grading a fish based on their ability to climb a tree...
Fromm was better in 18 than 17... so not sure where "regressed" is coming from there. In 19, our receiving corp was decimated from draft departures and then a poorly timed attrition of our best receiver, and a transfer that couldn't stay healthy. Kirby saw enough in one year that he recognized his mistake in promoting Coley.
So we're faulting Kirby for making the decision to play the better QB in 17 (Fromm > Eason)... as opposed to Mullen playing Franks over Trask until forced to do otherwise.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We're not gonna talk about how 6 Quarterbacks have left the program early in the last five years?
UGA fan proceeds to discuss the exact question posed... and the best you can do is:
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Them's a lot of words for:
"Kirby can't develop Quarterbacks at his program."
To avoid the cheap semantic escape hatch: Can't hire someone to develop QBs.
For someone who likes to attempt to claim the intellectual high ground, this is a sad state of affairs you find yourself in Straws.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:59 pm to fibonaccisquared
Well I mean, he also just ate Kirby's Lunch this year, but who's counting?
38 in one half.
38 in one half.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He now has 1 win against Kirby in his career as a head coach? Congrats.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:18 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Them's a lot of words for:
"Kirby can't develop Quarterbacks at his program."
Each of them having reasons =/= can’t develop.
Don’t conflate 2 very different things.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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he's getting some of the best training in the country.
When combined with not playing, it’s just not worth all that much. A qb with higher aspirations leaves Florida after 2018 and no later than after 2019.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:23 pm to djsdawg
OT - but - Happy 55th Birthday to Troy Sadowski. He's a great American
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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but the conversation is about how 6 quarterbacks have transferred or left early, 1 was developed and regressed the longer he stayed at Georgia, 2 never started and 3 looked mediocre at best.
Already responded and you ignored it.....
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As for the #6, Each had their unique reasons, some valid, some not. Most QBs aspire to start or get paid. I
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He outschemed the only team that really mattered in the East this year and could just coast in the second half.
Definitely. Props to Mullen this year, Florida was just better.
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Regardless of what happened to Georgia, you guys have the most talented team in the country. Period.
Slight exaggeration. I'd put us at 3 behind Bama and OSU.
QB attrition absolutely killed us this season.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:36 pm to djsdawg
I mean, it's the closest to reality (and admittedly you've made good points in the past and some decent ones now) of any Georgia fan, but I still think it's also wishing for the best case scenario.
It would be a lot of bad luck (unprecedented) but I also have to wonder if Kirby is actually looking for Quarterbacks who fit his system?
Obviously, a Quarterback is the most important piece of a team, and it feels like:
Mathis
Newman
Fields
Don't really fit what he wanted to do with his offense. Daniels is much closer to what he wants to do on offense (in the past), but he swore up and down he was changing the offense and it sort of looks the exact same with some better scheming.
It would be a lot of bad luck (unprecedented) but I also have to wonder if Kirby is actually looking for Quarterbacks who fit his system?
Obviously, a Quarterback is the most important piece of a team, and it feels like:
Mathis
Newman
Fields
Don't really fit what he wanted to do with his offense. Daniels is much closer to what he wants to do on offense (in the past), but he swore up and down he was changing the offense and it sort of looks the exact same with some better scheming.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:39 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Daniels is much closer to what he wants to do on offense (in the past), but he swore up and down he was changing the offense and it sort of looks the exact same with some better scheming.
Small sample size, but the offense has looked like we hoped it would with Monken since Daniels took over. Hard to say definitively, but it seems like they were holding back due to Bennett's limitations.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Don't really fit what he wanted to do with his offense.
Any QB who can make all the throws, especially the wide open deep ones, is what everyone wants. Newman was the most sought after transfer QB, awesome at the deep ball, and JTD looks the part so far. That’s what we needed in 2019 and 2020.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:57 pm to djsdawg
To be fair... we needed more than one (healthy) receiver who could get wide open in 2019 as well. 
But yes... the point stands.
But yes... the point stands.Posted on 12/8/20 at 3:05 pm to RedPants
I'm going to respond to you and djs in the same post to make sure it doesn't get too cluttered.
That's very reasonable. However, I was expecting a lot more mesh plays, read options, more designed Quarterback runs. Daniels is not that guy, and I'd be a little worried running him because of his knee.
As the years progress, what I've seen is that if you don't have a mobile Quarterback, you need to have an above average running game (which, has been quite the opposite for Georgia this year) and an elite offensive line (again, not where Georgia wants to be).
Daniels has played against Mississippi State (with a depleted roster), South Carolina (without their HC) and will play Missouri (last decent game of the season) and Vanderbilt (without their HC).
It's going to be hard to gauge much, but the hopes to have a dual-threat offense looks like it's gone with the wind, unless Monken plans to stay in Georgia for a few years, which I doubt.
I think with what he's done considering the limitations, he will probably end up getting a shot as an HC (G5) sooner or later.
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Small sample size, but the offense has looked like we hoped it would with Monken since Daniels took over. Hard to say definitively, but it seems like they were holding back due to Bennett's limitations.
That's very reasonable. However, I was expecting a lot more mesh plays, read options, more designed Quarterback runs. Daniels is not that guy, and I'd be a little worried running him because of his knee.
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Any QB who can make all the throws, especially the wide open deep ones, is what everyone wants. Newman was the most sought after transfer QB, awesome at the deep ball, and JTD looks the part so far. That’s what we needed in 2019 and 2020.
As the years progress, what I've seen is that if you don't have a mobile Quarterback, you need to have an above average running game (which, has been quite the opposite for Georgia this year) and an elite offensive line (again, not where Georgia wants to be).
Daniels has played against Mississippi State (with a depleted roster), South Carolina (without their HC) and will play Missouri (last decent game of the season) and Vanderbilt (without their HC).
It's going to be hard to gauge much, but the hopes to have a dual-threat offense looks like it's gone with the wind, unless Monken plans to stay in Georgia for a few years, which I doubt.
I think with what he's done considering the limitations, he will probably end up getting a shot as an HC (G5) sooner or later.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 3:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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However, I was expecting a lot more mesh plays, read options, more designed Quarterback runs. Daniels is not that guy, and I'd be a little worried running him because of his knee.
Would have happened with Newman. But we clearly can’t run that with Bennett or JTD.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 3:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's going to be hard to gauge much, but the hopes to have a dual-threat offense looks like it's gone with the wind, unless Monken plans to stay in Georgia for a few years, which I doubt.
So he could be like the trask for Mullen or the Mac jones for bama. Kids that can’t run but can throw the hell out of a ball.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 3:51 pm to diddlydawg7
8-4 is very optimistic.
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