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re: UF QB Treon Harris investigated for sexual assault, UF Statement in OP
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:06 pm to ocelot4ark
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:06 pm to ocelot4ark
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This is what I thought up, as I type, with no corrections or editing...
"It came to our attention that one of our student athletes has been accused of a terrible crime. We want to assure the community that we value the rule of law on our campus and strive to make this a safe place where you can trust your students will be safe.
We will continue to strive to meet that burden, taking into account all facts and evidence as they are established during our investigation. We will work with law enforcement to ensure justice is served."
Didn't seem too hard...maybe 90 seconds of thought start to finish.
Wouldn't saying nothing have served the same purpose as two or three lines of BS? Would that make you feel better about your daughter's safety on campus?
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 1:09 pm
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:07 pm to ocelot4ark
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We must protect the poor defenseless women even if it unnecessarily ruins a man's life in the process!
No one's ruined Treon Harris' life. Chill out.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:07 pm to Acadien
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It's football, man. Where does football rank in the scheme of things compared to a possible sexual assault?
Its not even in the same fricking ballpark. If the accusation is false, he'll return to the University. But the accusation could potentially be true; why aren't you asking about the consequences on the victim's life?
^^THIS. I could go nuts with the cannon fodder just handed to me after a heartbreaking loss but it's fricking football. It simply does not rank compared to something like this. It's not a joke or some kid being accused of smoking weed. If he's innocent he can be reinstated or go play somewhere else but right now the university is rightfully protecting the person who has been victimized.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:07 pm to cornhat
Florida has nothing to lose by suspending this kid at least until the investigation is complete. He was never going to lead them to a championship anyway
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:07 pm to SpartyGator
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Goes to a JC in Texas first
Pant some stadium seats and be good to go
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:08 pm to lowspark12
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when you get drunk and have sex with a stranger, you're opening the door for something bad to happen
If you're a man, maybe. I don't hear reports of men accusing women of rape after a drunken night. And, of course, the affirmative consent standard would apply to ANYONE that is drunk. If he's drunk, he can't consent either. Penis = guilt. I will never understand how one can even begin to reconcile that standard. "Sir, she was drunk so you raped her!" "But I was drunk, too!" "Doesn't matter. Penis."
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he made a decision... he'll now have to live with it.
Which is a pitiful conclusion considering that all we know about (I think) is an accusation. No, as a general principle people shouldn't be having sex with strangers. But that's no excuse, in undecided cases, for someone's life to be ruined. And say what you will, but his life is ruined. His name is tarnished. His scholarship will cease to exist. Etc, etc.
And all of that can happen just because she said he raped her. That's LITERALLY all it takes. I was reading an article today that CHAMPIONED this new affirmative consent college initiative thing. The context was basically that these college investigations "can dish out punishment where criminal investigations fail. Criminal investigations are largely based on circumstantial evidence which doesn't meet the burden of proof, whereas college investigations will give more strength to the alleged victim's testimony."
Think about that. Police say no evidence of a rape? Schew. My life is in the clear. Wait, what? The fricking COLLEGE I go to thinks they know better than trained criminal investigators? I'm being kicked out of school, in lieu of NO EVIDENCE, strictly because the school believes my accuser would never lie. Because, you know, people are all the same.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:08 pm to roadGator
Same. Can't wait til he's gone. Overpaid, overbearing, underachieving.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:09 pm to the808bass
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No one's ruined Treon Harris' life. Chill out.
I'm sure he's going to have a great time in class tomorrow
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 pm to joshnorris14
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I'm sure he's going to have a great time in class tomorrow
I'm sure the girl is having a super fun time.
I get this is a football forum, but I thought we were humans.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 pm to Acadien
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Its not even in the same fricking ballpark. If the accusation is false, he'll return to the University. But the accusation could potentially be true; why aren't you asking about the consequences on the victim's life?
A young man's life, reputation and possible future livelihood is absolutely in the same ball park, especially when he has to sit out for months or possibly years while they sort this out.
As another poster said, there are few consequences for false accusers, certainly nothing in the realm of guilty rapists. Being kicked off the team pending investigation and trial is pretty steep. If that's going to be the usual response, shite, I think I'll go accuse every opposing qb in the SEC of rape. Hey, there are no risks to myself, and LSU gets a championship. Sweet. Thanks.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 pm to Wtodd
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There's another possibility; he didn't do anything wrong other than get drunk with someone else and they fricked and she's now pissed. Funny how a man can be accused and be deemed guilty until proven innocent.
It is certainly sickening. The dude is automatically guilty because she was drunk.
I don't think I have ever heard of a dude crying rape after they both got drunk and had sex. It seems common place for females to get over the embarrassment.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 pm to ocelot4ark
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Police say no evidence of a rape?
Have the police said this exact thing?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:11 pm to the808bass
From the Twitter frat guy rumor mill:
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Regarding on & off relationship w this woman: could totally see this her being jealous that Treon is w someone else after big win. #Gators
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:12 pm to UL-SabanRival
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As another poster said, there are few consequences for false accusers,
And oftentimes, there's no consequences for rapists. What's your point?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:12 pm to the808bass
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Have the police said this exact thing?
Well he hasn't been charged nor arrested.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:12 pm to Loathor
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It's hard, but a bruised reputation can be repaired.
In spite of the fact that the Duke lacrosse players were ultimately cleared, do you imagine their reputations were repaired?
Evidence. That's all I'm asking for. Evidence. You don't take someone's scholarship away without evidence. You DEFINITELY don't do it absent a criminal investigation.
Accusations are used like weapons SOMETIMES. Therefore, treating all accusations as fact is unacceptable no matter the collateral damage.
Here's how you reconcile. "We have suspended Harris for the duration of this investigation. He will continue to participate in team activities but will not play until he has been cleared in an investigation. He will not lose his scholarship unless the investigation proves assault." That seems reasonable to me. And that's not protecting players just because they're players. This is a standard that should apply to all students.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:12 pm to joshnorris14
Which isn't even close to the same thing.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:13 pm to ocelot4ark
Isn't that basically what just happened at UF?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:13 pm to cornhat
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That's a pretty comprehensive statement without a mention that it is an ongoing case. Just from previous experience with this president, I don't like how he's going about it. I don't have an issue with the investigation or suspension.
I agree to an extent, however it is an official UF statement that comes from his desk. In the statement it talks about it being an ongoing investigation, maybe in his quote he could have said more, but in the context of the rest of the statement I am fine with what he said.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:14 pm to the808bass
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Which isn't even close to the same thing.
If there was evidence of rape he would be charged and arrested, especially at UF right now.
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