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Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:28 am to higgs_boson
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I think there are plenty of people who care, but it is a done deal now.
Some people cared, not plenty. That was the problem. I mean you had what? 30 people at the protest that morning?
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The Senate Faculty has proposed a vote of no confidence in UAB President Watts and a support of reinstating football. It is pretty much symbolic, but there is a real schism as to what the future of UAB should be.
Someone in the faculty Senate proposed it, not the faculty Senate. I doubt it will pass
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:29 am to auburnphan23
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I love giving bammers as much shite as anyone, but nobody cares about UAB football. I was born and raised less than a hour from their campus and you would have almost never known UAB even existed where I lived
coming from Phan, that's a pretty telling statement.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:30 am to StopRobot
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Someone in the faculty Senate proposed it, not the faculty Senate. I doubt it will pass
Indeed, key distinctions are vitally important.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:31 am to Funky Tide 8
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coming from Phan, that's a pretty telling statement.
That he is sober today?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:31 am to jb4
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the connection is if anybody is troubled and thus interested in the reasons why UAB dropped football, they might want to investigate it.
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"UAB invested roughly $1 million to upgrade the football locker room and practice facilities after Coach Clark was hired," the statement said. "We also attempted to raise $1 million needed from private donors for an artificial turf practice field requested by Coach Clark. We could not secure that level of support from leadership of the not - yet - formed UAB Football Foundation, let alone the $50 million that would be required to sustain football over the next five years."
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:35 am to BamainbigD
Those schools are great basketball schools but I don't think I want to point to 3 schools with no sustained football success and 0 football national championships as a paradigm we should try to emulate
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:35 am to mattloc
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UAB was built into the valuable asset it is today largely due to huge infusions of cash by the University of Alabama system. The campus is about 50 miles from Bryant Denny. The big mistake with UAB football was the move to Division 1. The resources and support to make a D-1 program successful just isn't there with the proximity to Tuscaloosa
I think that is where we just disagree. I agree UAB would never be Alabama, but I think they could do just fine in C-USA. Troy and South Alabama have both found their niche.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:39 am to StopRobot
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Someone in the faculty Senate proposed it, not the faculty Senate. I doubt it will pass
Not exactly, it took a majority vote to the Senate Faculty to propose the draft of no confidence. They are now taking it to the other faculty members for input. Again, the issue among faculty is about a lot more than football. The Honors Program really distrusts Watts, the business school hates him and the changes to benefits have been extremely unpopular.
My wife still gets her work emails from UAB, in one she was told no one would be allowed access to the administrative building without their badge visible and then they would have to be buzzed in.
Again, not all about football, but the football thing was the catalyst to larger issues.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:41 am to BamainbigD
I had NO IDEA uab had so many fans. Where were you guys when they needed butts in seats?
May want to re-think this squashing. UAB may very well be America's team
May want to re-think this squashing. UAB may very well be America's team
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:42 am to higgs_boson
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I think that is where we just disagree. I agree UAB would never be Alabama, but I think they could do just fine in C-USA. Troy and South Alabama have both found their niche.
South Alabama has not found their niche. USA has terrible attendance and it is only going to get worse. USA will end up shutting the program too I believe
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:42 am to higgs_boson
I have no problem with UAB playing football, but not when it is costing the State of Alabama 17.5 million a year. Why not go back to Division II and make the facility upgrades to move to DI over the next 5 to 7 years. Football at the DI level has to be a business, and a business that at some point can break even.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:46 am to higgs_boson
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Not exactly, it took a majority vote to the Senate Faculty to propose the draft of no confidence. They are now taking it to the other faculty members for input. Again, the issue among faculty is about a lot more than football. The Honors Program really distrusts Watts, the business school hates him and the changes to benefits have been extremely unpopular.
My wife still gets her work emails from UAB, in one she was told no one would be allowed access to the administrative building without their badge visible and then they would have to be buzzed in.
Again, not all about football, but the football thing was the catalyst to larger issues.
Yes you are correct. You explained it better
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:46 am to mattloc
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Football at the DI level has to be a business, and at least one that breaks even.
There would be very few colleges playing football if this were the case. I think one has to factor in the intangibles that do not show up on spread sheet.
Dropping down and making upgrades would not nec be a bad method, but the other sports will hurt when C-USA drops them.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:48 am to StopRobot
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Yes you are correct. You explained it better
In essence though, you are correct, the actual vote will not be until sometime in mid January.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:49 am to higgs_boson
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There would be very few colleges playing football if this were the case. I think one has to factor in the intangibles that do not show up on spread sheet.
I agree with this but I disagree that the intangibles are there. I mean is it worth spending $10 million a year on a football program so your name appears on the ticker on Sportscenter? You can buy a couple of ads during the Super Bowl for that much.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:55 am to StopRobot
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I agree with this but I disagree that the intangibles are there. I mean is it worth spending $10 million a year on a football program so your name appears on the ticker on Sportscenter?
Again, I could see rational reasons for closing the program. The Carr report, however, was not very clear in that regard. To ask athletics what their wish list was, and then factor the wish list into the cost for the next five years, is disingenuous at best. Not including the fees for future game defaults and the costs of leaving C-USA were not factored in either.
This was handled poorly. If the program was in danger of being shuttered, it should have been announced much sooner. Then the alumni could have put up or shut up --- the same goes for student attendance. Sadly, most people do not miss something until it is gone.
It is really ironic that the swell of support from donors and city leaders did not emerge until it was pretty much a done deal.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:57 am to higgs_boson
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It is really ironic that the swell of support from donors and city leaders did not emerge until it was pretty much a done deal.
On this we agree and I dont understand why it was eliminated rather than being allowed to drop back to D2
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:59 am to jb4
Uab football was a shambling corpse, bill clark was out of there the second a better job presented itself and even the tiny glimmer of life they were showing would be gone again. Now uab can spend the money it was flushing down the toilet on a football team nobody cared about till it was gone (although plenty of crocodile tears now) on building new research facilities, curing diseases, etc etc.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:03 am to narddogg81
I wish that schools like UAB and USA would find some way to carve out a niche of their own instead of spending money on a sport where they will always be left in the dust. The University of Denver has a nationally ranked hockey team every year, no football and it draws a crowd and the students are into it.
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