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Posted on 10/14/11 at 9:34 am to Chimlim
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Isn't the OP a complete statistical breakdown of TR?
No, it is not accurate, much like many his post. See his quote from the OP below about the Bama-PSU game. Copying and pasting stats is serious business, need to leave it to the pros(Bama fans).
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Final Math = 32 for 122 for a 3.8 yd per carry against a very good rush dee
Posted on 10/14/11 at 9:43 am to TIGERTANK59
Running TR in blowout wins in the 4th quarter is a ridiculously dumb move.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 9:50 am to LSUAlum2001
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Running TR in blowout wins in the 4th quarter is a ridiculously dumb move.
Trent averages 3 carries per game in fourth qtr, twenty total for the year.
Ware has more carries in the fourth qtr than Trent.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 9:53 am to bona fide
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Trent averages 3 carries per game in fourth qtr, twenty total for the year.
Ware has more carries in the fourth qtr than Trent.
Looks like LSU's new-found love of stats and "facts" has failed already.
This post was edited on 10/14/11 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:12 am to TIGERTANK59
Wow, you hit a nerve with a lot of Bama fans here.
I too would be concerned with how well TR will hold up, and how Saban's offense will react if and when they have to go to plan B.
I too would be concerned with how well TR will hold up, and how Saban's offense will react if and when they have to go to plan B.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:18 am to TIGERTANK59
Ok, I'll try to condense his point, b/c it may actually be a good one despite his flaming.
Conclusion:
TR is still really good when only considering 3 quarters.
- Saban might leave him in the game a little longer than necessary, but there isn't much of a change in his overall production.
- The extra runs might be "padding" his stats a little, but TR is trying to get drafted. And the extra yards (all of which he earns), will help him and his family some day.
If you want to talk about quality of rushing defense versus his stats, that's a different arguement.
Here's the stats breakdown for anyone interested:
PennSt through 3rd quarter:
All runs - 3.3yds/carry
Without 22 yarder - Averaged 2.6 ypc.
- Not bad production. 4th quarter only changed the ypc by 0.5.
North Texas, all game:
All runs - 15.2 ypc.
Minus 71 yarder - averaged 9.6 ypc.
- Is there really that much difference between a butt whoopin and an arse whoopin?
Arkansas, all game:
All runs - 6.6 ypc
Through 3rd - 7.8 ypc
- YPC actually went down with 4Q runs by 1.2ypc.
Interesting. Let's look at production minus the 3 big runs.
1) 3 runs for 11..(3.7ypc)
2) 4 runs for 2...(0.5ypc)
3) 3 runs for 12..(4.0ypc)
4) 6 runs for 21..(3.5ypc)
Total: 16 for 46..(2.9ypc)
- If you take out the big runs. He's still quite effective at around 3ypc.
Florida, all game:
All runs - 7.5ypc
Thru 3rd - 6.5ypc
- Only a 1.0ypc difference. He was torching them all game.
Vandy, only 3qtrs:
All runs - 5.6ypc
1st half - 4.5ypc
- He only had 2.0ypc in the 1st half w/o the 20 yard run. But had decent stats and had no 4Q runs.
I hope you enjoyed the friendly breakdown.
Conclusion:
TR is still really good when only considering 3 quarters.
- Saban might leave him in the game a little longer than necessary, but there isn't much of a change in his overall production.
- The extra runs might be "padding" his stats a little, but TR is trying to get drafted. And the extra yards (all of which he earns), will help him and his family some day.
If you want to talk about quality of rushing defense versus his stats, that's a different arguement.
Here's the stats breakdown for anyone interested:
PennSt through 3rd quarter:
All runs - 3.3yds/carry
Without 22 yarder - Averaged 2.6 ypc.
- Not bad production. 4th quarter only changed the ypc by 0.5.
North Texas, all game:
All runs - 15.2 ypc.
Minus 71 yarder - averaged 9.6 ypc.
- Is there really that much difference between a butt whoopin and an arse whoopin?
Arkansas, all game:
All runs - 6.6 ypc
Through 3rd - 7.8 ypc
- YPC actually went down with 4Q runs by 1.2ypc.
Interesting. Let's look at production minus the 3 big runs.
1) 3 runs for 11..(3.7ypc)
2) 4 runs for 2...(0.5ypc)
3) 3 runs for 12..(4.0ypc)
4) 6 runs for 21..(3.5ypc)
Total: 16 for 46..(2.9ypc)
- If you take out the big runs. He's still quite effective at around 3ypc.
Florida, all game:
All runs - 7.5ypc
Thru 3rd - 6.5ypc
- Only a 1.0ypc difference. He was torching them all game.
Vandy, only 3qtrs:
All runs - 5.6ypc
1st half - 4.5ypc
- He only had 2.0ypc in the 1st half w/o the 20 yard run. But had decent stats and had no 4Q runs.
I hope you enjoyed the friendly breakdown.
This post was edited on 10/14/11 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:22 am to Mahootney
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Mahootney
Thanks. I get what you were trying to do. Very friendly breakdown. My only objection to your post - no sense in even saying "minus the big runs" b/c they happened.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:27 am to bamasgot13
Yeah if you do a stat breakdown of Spencer Ware but don't count all of his big runs, he's terrible 
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:31 am to Chimlim
Everyone welcome back ramah59
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:32 am to Mahootney
I don't understand the subtracting of the big runs. Should you also subtract the negative runs if you are going to subtract long runs?
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:35 am to bamasgot13
quote:I agree.
Thanks. I get what you were trying to do. Very friendly breakdown. My only objection to your post - no sense in even saying "minus the big runs" b/c they happened.
My thought behind the minus big runs is that they are less likely against LSU.
The long Bama run last year against LSU was for 13 yards.
So, the TR 20, 30, & 70 yarders this year aren't as representative of his potential production.
I made it very clear which statistics looked specifically at production minus big runs.
There were only six:
PennSt - 1, 22yds
NTexas - 1, 71yds
Arky - 3, 77yds
Vandy - 1, 20yds
I was just showing that he's still got a 3.0ypc without ripping big ones off.
Fair enough?
This post was edited on 10/14/11 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/14/11 at 10:43 am to Mahootney
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So, the TR 20, 30, & 70 yarders this year aren't as representative of his potential production. I was just showing that he's still got a 3.0ypc without ripping big ones off. Fair enough?
What exactly is fair about erasing runs?
Posted on 10/14/11 at 11:17 am to TIGERTANK59
Posted on 10/14/11 at 11:21 am to crimsonsaint
quote:The OP was making the point that he gets alot of his yards with big runs and in the 4th quarter.
What exactly is fair about erasing runs?
So, I looked at his production overall, through 3 quarters, and without big runs to see if the OP was correct in his accusations.
What I found was that he is still very effective as a runner. He isn't a 0.5ypc back with big runs. He's a 3.0ypc back with big runs.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 11:23 am to Mahootney
lol that's the most stupid shite I have ever heard.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 11:28 am to TIGERTANK59
Id guess you're one of those people who cant just sit back and say "that guy is pretty fricking good" ?
This post was edited on 10/14/11 at 11:29 am
Posted on 10/14/11 at 11:29 am to TIGERTANK59
If memory serves, Richardson didn't finish last yr's LSU-AL game? 
Posted on 10/14/11 at 11:47 am to Funky Tide 8
Nice drop in. Maybe you could focus on the rest of the post.
Posted on 10/14/11 at 12:18 pm to Teague
quote:No, Bama fans bring mostly what you just brought, Teague. Not much different than you routinely accuse rantards of.
You may be confusing Bama fans with LSU fans. Bama brings the STATS. LSU brings the "I have a feeling this team is a team of destiny, I can't see them losing a game, Miles has a secret playbook, Honey Bear wants something, Lee is better than Andrew Luck, Jorge Jefferson is better than Cam Newton, Oregon and WVU are better than any team in the country except LSU, Saban is a meanie" rhetoric.
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