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re: To SC fans, historically what has kept you behind Clemson...
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:48 pm to Mizzou4ever
Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:48 pm to Mizzou4ever
You should venture into the Geechee/Gullah area of SC. Your life will be forever changed in a profoundly positive way once you eat their food just in general.
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 7:58 pm to Carolina_Girl
We can actually get boiled peanuts here in some of the grocery and specialty stores. I like messing with you southerners, but truth be told, I love southern food. There was nothing better as a kid than guzzling down my grandmas sweet tea.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:08 pm to Mizzou4ever
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guzzling down my grandmas sweet tea.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:22 pm to koreandawg
Meh, it's not about being an independent. Penn state, Miami, Notre dame and Florida state thrived as independents.
It's about commitment. I don't think, early in their history, the commitment was there. Clemson had some success early and got a foothold with the fans and administration. There never has been that "football DNA" that Clemson had. Geography hurt too. Names carry weight. They sit right with Clemson and Georgia. A kid has a choice of those 3 it's gonna b Clemson or Georgia just based on names.
Same as Bama trying to compete with state in baseball. It's a major deal at state and the proximity to Alabama is appealing to Bama kids. What do they have? 3 starters from Alabama on their baseball team? It's a much more attractive program than Alabama.
It's about commitment. I don't think, early in their history, the commitment was there. Clemson had some success early and got a foothold with the fans and administration. There never has been that "football DNA" that Clemson had. Geography hurt too. Names carry weight. They sit right with Clemson and Georgia. A kid has a choice of those 3 it's gonna b Clemson or Georgia just based on names.
Same as Bama trying to compete with state in baseball. It's a major deal at state and the proximity to Alabama is appealing to Bama kids. What do they have? 3 starters from Alabama on their baseball team? It's a much more attractive program than Alabama.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:26 pm to TouchdownTony
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independent. Penn state, Miami, Notre dame and Florida state thrived as independents.
All could thrive because of their inherent rivalries. Miami and FSU although did great in the 80s, the only part of their independence they thrived, they didn't really go full bore until they joined a conference
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:30 pm to TouchdownTony
Damn, bring facts into a rivalry discussion.
3 things I was told back in the day
1. Clemson folks were pissed about playing every game in Columbia until the 60s
2. A game in the early 70s when Carolina won 56 to 20 (something like that) and was trying to score more late in the game. Clemson folks said that was enough and the "balanced" rivalry shifted heavily.
3. Lawmakers are all up in Carolinas business.
3 things I was told back in the day
1. Clemson folks were pissed about playing every game in Columbia until the 60s
2. A game in the early 70s when Carolina won 56 to 20 (something like that) and was trying to score more late in the game. Clemson folks said that was enough and the "balanced" rivalry shifted heavily.
3. Lawmakers are all up in Carolinas business.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 8:46 pm to TouchdownTony
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The death penalty doesn't exist because of Kentucky or Clemson. It exists because of the old southwest conference.
In one season Texas, Texas a&m, smu, rice, Houston and tcu were all on probation at once. That's when the ncaa met to vote the death penalty in.
Wrong.
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:04 pm to IStillMissDanny
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Clemson got a taste of success in the late '40's -'50's, and when Pell and Ford brought it back, I believe fans and administration saw that it was possible to do well, and began to see Clemson as a football school. Struggling against traditional powers in ACC basketball plays in that vision as well.
South Carolina, other than briefly under Morrison and Spurrier, has never experienced success. If they begin to run their football program like they do their baseball, though, they might. They sent Holbrook packing pretty quickly, and they're making enormous facility improvements.
They need to quit accepting mediocrity.
Not even close you sheep humping sister banging taterhead frick.
Not even close.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:35 pm to NYCAuburn
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All could thrive because of their inherent rivalries.
Which "inherent rivals" made Penn State thrive?I'd say
being an independent was big benefit for scheduling reasons alone.
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Miami and FSU although did great in the 80s, the only part of their independence they thrived
Getting the right coach in place was the 1st step and being an independent certainly helped both build their names by scheduling big intersectional games especially
FSU.
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they didn't really go full bore until they joined a conference
Miami? They won 3 as an independent actually 4 because '91 was their 1st year in the big east.
I'm not sure either school could have been a national brand had they joined the ACC in the early 80's.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:47 pm to CNB
Much more than any "curse" was the meddling by state legislators. I sat down one time back in the 1970s with a Carolina program.
What I found surprised. The first 20-25 players matched up pretty well with other teams. Beyond that, however, the drop-off in talent was obvious. One word, "meddling."
One thing we can thank Holtz for is he put a stop to that.
What I found surprised. The first 20-25 players matched up pretty well with other teams. Beyond that, however, the drop-off in talent was obvious. One word, "meddling."
One thing we can thank Holtz for is he put a stop to that.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 9:58 pm to CocknDawg
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One word, "meddling."
Ok,I've heard it several times in this thread but I'd really like to see some concrete examples and hear some stories.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:34 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Here's what I think it is.
Our AD has this stupid idea that we need to be good at all sports.
While Clemson pumps about 95% of their money into just football.
Maybe I'm wrong. But we regularly are better than them in everything but football.
Maybe thats the issue
This makes no sense.
Neither SC or Clemson have done much in basketball and Clemson leads the series 54-51 since 1951. LINK
Clemson is 10-4 against SC in basketball the past 14 years.
Clemson has spent a pile of money on two major renovations to the basketball arena in the past 20 years.
Clemson has hired several big name basketball coaches the past 20 years.
SC most likely has spent more money on football than Clemson.
In baseball, Clemson leads the series overall 176–137–2.
In soccer, Clemson is 28–17–1 against SC.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:53 pm to Tillman
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Clemson is 10-4 against SC in basketball the past 14 years.
Clemson has spent a pile of money on two major renovations to the basketball arena in the past 20 years.
Clemson has hired several big name basketball coaches the past 20 years.
SC most likely has spent more money on football than Clemson.
In baseball, Clemson leads the series overall 176–137–2.
In soccer, Clemson is 28–17–1 against SC.
... yet we keep winning the farmer's cup every year while you rednecks continue to bang your sisters and hump sheep.
Help us all to understand your fricked-up sense of reality.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:55 pm to scrooster
Farmers Cup? 
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:56 pm to scrooster
SC has the edge in women's sports right now...
i'm not sure how anybody in their right mind can say Clemson doesn't spend money on the other sports. lol
i'm not sure how anybody in their right mind can say Clemson doesn't spend money on the other sports. lol
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:58 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Farmers Cup?
Yeah the fricking sheephumpers made that shite up thinking they'd win every year and they have yet to win one.
Sister banging rednecks gonna redneck. Never fails.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:59 pm to scrooster
i think its called the palmetto series.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:04 pm to Tillman
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SC has the edge in women's sports right now..
We've got the edge in men's sports right now too you're just too damn dumb to see it coming.
Sister banging and sheep humping is a lost cause.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:05 pm to scrooster
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We've got the edge in men's sports right now too you're just too damn dumb to see it coming.
how so?
i would say Clemson SC are even in basketball and baseball, Clemson slightly better in soccer, and better in football, right now.
SC def. owns lady basketball right now. lol
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:22 pm to Tillman
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i would say Clemson SC are even in basketball and baseball, Clemson slightly better in soccer, and better in football, right now.
SC def. owns lady basketball right now. lol
Why you loling at lady basketball ... bitch.
Yeah, we're even right now in men's basketball maybe, and you taterheads have a slight advantage in football "right now," but that will be short lived in the long run. This is your last hurrah.
Kingston will dominate in baseball just like Ray did.
Martin is a better coach than what's his name up there.
Boom will win over Dabo's BS in the long run just like SPURrier did.
Y'all will continue to inbreed and hump sheep just like your grandpappies and great grandpappies have done for 120 years before you ... and you'll plant taters of course, and pay players and lie about your rivals.
Ajyways, that's how so.
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