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re: This year with Avery Johnson proves just how bad Anthony Grant was
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:48 pm to GatorsGators
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:48 pm to GatorsGators
Yes your first comment you literally said he was a good coach who was only fired because of bad luck in recruiting/transfers and because he didn't grease the palms of boosters (whatever that means)
That was ridiculous and wrong.
That was ridiculous and wrong.
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:51 pm to Evolved Simian
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No worse than before, but every talented player went OOS.
This.
IIRC, there are 5 players from Alabama currently in the NBA. Only one (JaMychael Green) played at an in-state program.
All the talent's been leaving and given the state of our signature programs lately, I can't say that I blame them. Hopefully, that's about to change.....
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:51 pm to genro
I said those things "did him in."
Semantics, sure, but in no place did I ever say that he shouldn't have been fired.
Semantics, sure, but in no place did I ever say that he shouldn't have been fired.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:52 pm to GatorsGators
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Then again, Taylor and Hall are probably the two best in-state big men recruits Alabama has produced in recent history. Except for Haas, but he didn't have any real SEC offers.
The thing though for Alabama fans, fair or not, is that Alabama basically had at least one good big man pretty much every single season from the 70s until Green graduated and Grant's recruits were left.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:54 pm to JustGetItRight
I remember thinking we had a chance at Demarcus Cousins after he decommitted from UAB.
funny to think about in retrospect.
funny to think about in retrospect.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:56 pm to GatorsGators
How do you figure not greasing palms with boosters did him in? When they gave him one more year than any of those boosters ever wanted to give him? A year in which he bottomed out to such an extent that literally any Power 5 program would have fired him?
You were talking out of your arse, my man.
You were talking out of your arse, my man.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:57 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:Blame Gottfried for letting Cousins and Bledsoe go -- that's not on Grant.
IIRC, there are 5 players from Alabama currently in the NBA. Only one (JaMychael Green) played at an in-state program.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:59 pm to GatorsGators
What did him in was being a shitty basketball coach with lackluster underperforming teams.
The fact that he was a wet blanket with not much personality who didn't promote the program didn't help, but he could've withstood that if the results on the court had been better.
The fact that he was a wet blanket with not much personality who didn't promote the program didn't help, but he could've withstood that if the results on the court had been better.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:59 pm to aspiclark
Battle loved Grant (and wanted to give him another year) -- boosters didn't.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:02 pm to GatorsGators
We DID give him another year. The entire fanbase was fed up and done with him in his SECOND to last season
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:03 pm to GatorsGators
Uhh, did you read my post? That was my point. That we gave him more time than these supposed influential boosters ever wanted to give him and it didn't matter, since he bottomed out. You were the one who made some point about his inability to schmooze with boosters "doing him in."
Again, what did him not "greasing palms" with boosters have to do with him being fired?
Again, what did him not "greasing palms" with boosters have to do with him being fired?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:04 pm to genro
quote:It's funny that Grant's teams underperformed and Avery is overperforming when the results are about the same.
What did him in was being a shitty basketball coach with lackluster underperforming teams.
It'll be interesting in ten years when Grant is succeeding at a mid-level ACC school to see whether or not Alabama fans still insist that he's a horrible, shitty basketball coach.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:04 pm to genro
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I know Gottfried got lazy and it went all to shite, but we had some good years with Erwin and company
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:05 pm to aspiclark
quote:It turned the heat on him early, and sometimes it's hard to recruit with so much negative perception swirling.
Again, what did him not "greasing palms" with boosters have to do with him being fired?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:06 pm to GatorsGators
And this in state recruiting argument is a straw man btw. He did a decent job keeping players in state, but thing is, as someone said, there wasn't all that much great talent in the state in the first place during that time. And the biggest win he ever had in state, he quickly pissed the kid off and he transferred. Lacy may have been entitled and lazy, but that was very much on Anthony Grant.
And ignoring this stupid in state recruiting focus, when it comes to recruiting at large, Grant was notorious for wasting a bunch of time going after highly acclaimed guys like Cat Barber, who liked Grant enough to give us a shot, and then he would have no back up plan when they inevitably went somewhere else. Saw it time after time. That's his job, to have someone else in line for the spot.
Point is, Grant didn't recruit well enough to compensate for his shortcomings as an in game coach. It was a big reason he failed here and was eventually justifiably fired.
And ignoring this stupid in state recruiting focus, when it comes to recruiting at large, Grant was notorious for wasting a bunch of time going after highly acclaimed guys like Cat Barber, who liked Grant enough to give us a shot, and then he would have no back up plan when they inevitably went somewhere else. Saw it time after time. That's his job, to have someone else in line for the spot.
Point is, Grant didn't recruit well enough to compensate for his shortcomings as an in game coach. It was a big reason he failed here and was eventually justifiably fired.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:07 pm to JuiceTerry
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Grant was a terrible head coach at Alabama. Nobody cares what he did as an assistant at Florida.
Grant wasn't terrible, but after 6 seasons, when the same stuff happens over and over, you can't expect it to change. For one thing Grant did well was coach defense. That was his M.O and led to many close games. But, as stated previously, the offense was stagnant and never developed a rhythm.
One of my biggest gripes with Grant was that he seemed to always pull out the start with the hot hand. When Cooper began to bank shots, he would almost always get pulled. Then his handling of late-game situations were atrocious. Never called a time out to get the play in; never called in a play. He just sat there. It was also a rarity that he would call a time out to prevent the other team from getting hot. Instead, while his team was in an offensive drought, the opposing team would lay back, drain 3s, and gather all the momentum.
The most frustrating part was the ball movement. Countless times theY would sit on the ball and drain the shot clock, all while players are just sitting around and then occasionally see the ball passed to them. Even if there was an open shot, they would pass it up, wait till the shot clock is below 5, then throw up a prayer. If you asked me the biggest difference between Grant and Avery, it's the ball movement. There's a better flow of the offense, more open shots, and creative ways to attack the basket. Avery's biggest problem is not having the players to execute it.
Grant had some respectable teams. His first year, he beat Michigan and Baylor, and came close to beating some very good teams. His second year, we barely missed out on the tournament, but he had Alabama go undefeated at Coleman and average around 14,000 in conference play. Then of course his 3rd year, Bama beat Purdue, Oklahoma State, Oakland, VCU, and Wichita State in OOC. It all came falling down when he suspended half the team before the LSU game, then Bama's chemistry fell off and lost in the first round. That's when I had doubts about Grant, because he had a sweet 16 type team, yet failed tremendously with them.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:09 pm to GatorsGators
You think boosters are what turned the heat on him early? And not the fact that he was treading water, consistently not making the tournament, not winning any tournament games, etc.
Seriously? Take off the tinfoil hat dude. The heat got turned up because he wasn't winning and the team wasn't getting any better. It's pretty straightforward.
And again, they gave him one more year when these elements you're referring to wanted him gone so I'm not sure what 'the heat being turned up early' had to do with literally anything whatsoever related to his firing.
You seem to desperately want this to have been Alabama's fault somehow. It's very transparent. But the thing is, it wasn't. It was Anthony Grant's fault.
Seriously? Take off the tinfoil hat dude. The heat got turned up because he wasn't winning and the team wasn't getting any better. It's pretty straightforward.
And again, they gave him one more year when these elements you're referring to wanted him gone so I'm not sure what 'the heat being turned up early' had to do with literally anything whatsoever related to his firing.
You seem to desperately want this to have been Alabama's fault somehow. It's very transparent. But the thing is, it wasn't. It was Anthony Grant's fault.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:11 pm to aspiclark
Most of us were pumped after Grant's first couple seasons. We wanted him to succeed more than anything. Why on earth would we screw him over? It makes no sense.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:13 pm to GatorsGators
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Blame Gottfried for letting Cousins and Bledsoe go -- that's not on Grant.
I didn't say the in state talent wasn't going to Alabama, I said it wasn't staying in Alabama.
I didn't blame Grant any more than Gottfried or Jeff Lebo or Tony Barbee or Bruce Pearl or Mike Davis or Jerod Hass.
The in state talent left during that era, and at least a part of it is because all three of the traditional in state hoops powers were boring and mediocre or worse.
While he can't be blamed for losing every recruit, Grant certainly contributed to the boring and mediocre.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:13 pm to genro
I still love Anthony Grant. Absolutely delightful in person. Classy guy. Teams played hard for him. Aggressive defense. Suit game on point. What's not to like?
It's just that he was given plenty of time here and it didn't work out, and it had nothing to do with boosters. He was given plenty of time. He failed to get it done and we had to go another direction. It was very, VERY obvious after his last year. There was literally no momentum behind the program at that point.
Anyone arguing otherwise, clearly has an agenda. (In this case, a Florida Anthony Grant Superfan apparently.)
It's just that he was given plenty of time here and it didn't work out, and it had nothing to do with boosters. He was given plenty of time. He failed to get it done and we had to go another direction. It was very, VERY obvious after his last year. There was literally no momentum behind the program at that point.
Anyone arguing otherwise, clearly has an agenda. (In this case, a Florida Anthony Grant Superfan apparently.)
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