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re: This fan base is broken and it makes me sad.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:58 am to AU4real35
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:58 am to AU4real35
Look, I sympathize with Gus trying to correct the mistakes he has made - but he is simply too far behind the curve at this point to salvage success in the near term.
Plus, I'm not sure he can ever correct some things - developing talent at the QB position, for example...when has he, or a coach he has hired, ever been able to do this?
We need far more talent than we have in three key areas: (1) QB, (2) O-line, and (3) RB...I don't think Gus can catch up in recruiting to cover these holes. Certainly not now with all the job security questions.
Plus, I'm not sure he can ever correct some things - developing talent at the QB position, for example...when has he, or a coach he has hired, ever been able to do this?
We need far more talent than we have in three key areas: (1) QB, (2) O-line, and (3) RB...I don't think Gus can catch up in recruiting to cover these holes. Certainly not now with all the job security questions.
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:03 am to The_SwAUggford
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The only reasons Malzahn even made the natty in 2013 sans Nick Marshall, I'll give him credit for Nick but that's it
Miracles. Is he a miracle worker?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:04 am to djsdawg
Kick 6 wasn't a miracle. But the prayer at jordan-hare certainly was and as everyone knows, without that we don't make the natty and Gus loses his only leverage.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 8:05 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:06 am to randomways
Gus and Auburn are the SEC version of Paul Johnson and Georgia Tech. Win their division once in a while and beat their rival a few times and they both (and their fans) think they are football geniuses.
Meanwhile, their rivals win the conference and play for the NC.
Meanwhile, their rivals win the conference and play for the NC.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:13 am to The_SwAUggford
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And that's only the reasons Tuberville had a better tenure. I bet if I looked close enough I could come up with an argument for Dye and maybe even Bowden.
I loved Tubbs but if you remember, Auburn fans were organizing a lynch mob for him just like they are Gus right now. It was stupid then and that same mob mentality is stupid now. The only thing that Auburn fans and the Auburn media is accomplishing right now is putting a wall up between them and the head coach as well as hurting recruiting.
If I remember well, Tubbs also lost two straight OOC games to USC and Georgia Tech. He also lost shitty games to Syracuse, USF and West Virginia. We got one SEC Championship game from him and that was it.
He also completely destroyed the program in 2008 where Chizik and Gus came in and rebuilt it. Same thing Gus did again in 2013 where you said it was because of Nick Marshall. The Nick Marshall that Gus went and got, brought to a 3-9 team and took them to Pasadena with a sub par defense. I think it was more than just him.
Look I have no magical love for Gus. I think he has the ability to be a very good coach. But decisions are not made on emotion and that is what is going on with the Auburn fan base right now. They are using their hurt feelings to come to some stupid conclusions. Historically, Auburn is not a 10 win team. We are right in our sweet spot as far as wins/Loses are concerned. Now can we do better? Sure and I hope we do. But to fire a coach everytime UA wins a championship because we dont is just dumb.
My biggest issue with Gus is changing his offense. I was not happy back in 2015 when he did it and I am still not happy with his. He either got egotistical or let the outside chatter get to him. He should have stuck with his guns and stayed with what he was good at.
The problem now is going to be working backwards to get back to it. I think it will be difficult.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:17 am to AUcarlton
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Plus, I'm not sure he can ever correct some things - developing talent at the QB position, for example...when has he, or a coach he has hired, ever been able to do this?
I think he can if he gets the right style of QB.
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We need far more talent than we have in three key areas: (1) QB, (2) O-line, and (3) RB...I don't think Gus can catch up in recruiting to cover these holes. Certainly not now with all the job security questions.
We have not had a stud RB in a while. I have been saying that on our board for 3 years. WE are recruiting too many scat backs and not enough power guys. Not sure why that is but it needs to change. Other than that, we have been going after the right OLine guys, just not getting many of them. I dont think the recruiting targets have been wrong, we are just fishing for too many guys with great programs close to us
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:18 am to AlaCowboy
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Gus and Auburn are the SEC version of Paul Johnson and Georgia Tech. Win their division once in a while and beat their rival a few times and they both (and their fans) think they are football geniuses.
Meanwhile, their rivals win the conference and play for the NC.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:24 am to LanierSpots
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I think he can if he gets the right style of QB.
I'm not sure I agree here. He's had both true passers and dual-threats in his system since being a head coach and I have not seen any of them develop throughout their college career.
What style of QB are you referring to?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:25 am to AU4real35
Losing Pitman broke him, I think. Then he decided to go with someone with practically no experience at arguably his most important position group to replace Pitman.
My guess is that he did this so the guy would be "his guy", but it backfired horribly. We're still paying for that decision.
My guess is that he did this so the guy would be "his guy", but it backfired horribly. We're still paying for that decision.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:27 am to OmegaMan
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Auburn’s a bunch of mouth breathers? We have the lowest percentage of sidewalk Alumni outside of Vandy. Petulant? I’ll give you that but it’s only because we expect to win.
The reason is that no sane person that didn't attend auburn would ever choose to be an auburn fan. Why settle for a mediocre team when there are plenty of good teams to be a fan of?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:36 am to AU4real35
With all this talk of Gus and his offense
nobody is addressing how many people are leaving on defense
nobody is addressing how many people are leaving on defense
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:43 am to AU4real35
It is a great day to be a bulldog. You guys shouldn't be sad. You should be happy for us when we dominate you.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:47 am to AUcarlton
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I'm not sure I agree here. He's had both true passers and dual-threats in his system since being a head coach and I have not seen any of them develop throughout their college career.
What style of QB are you referring to?
He needs a mobile, running QB to be successful in College football with his program. It has been proven. His system does not work well with a pocket passer. It has been talked about to death.
The problem is, he has recruited all pocket guys other than Malik and he does not seem to be good enough to run the offense. He needs to be recruiting all running QB's if he wants his offense to be elite ever again
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:09 am to LanierSpots
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He needs a mobile, running QB to be successful in College football with his program. It has been proven. His system does not work well with a pocket passer. It has been talked about to death.
The problem is, he has recruited all pocket guys other than Malik and he does not seem to be good enough to run the offense. He needs to be recruiting all running QB's if he wants his offense to be elite ever again
Right, I agree his offenses work well with a running QB. My comment was specifically that he cannot develop said QBs. I can't think of one QB that was better at the end of his college career than when he arrived under Malzahn. They all seem to just stay the same (or get worse)...
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:20 am to AU4real35
quote:He's also had his teams ranked in the top 10 of all the major polls four times in his six seasons, and finished unranked with 5 or more losses three out of those four years. Most fan bases wouldn't be okay with that.
. He was one game away from the playoffs last year, appeared in two NY6 bowl, two SEC championships and a national championship in 6 years.
quote:What do you think are his issues, and how do you think he's trying to correct them? I'm genuinely curious.
I know Gus has his issues but it’s something that he’s trying to correct
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:37 am to AUcarlton
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Right, I agree his offenses work well with a running QB. My comment was specifically that he cannot develop said QBs. I can't think of one QB that was better at the end of his college career than when he arrived under Malzahn. They all seem to just stay the same (or get worse)...
I thought he did pretty well with Nick Marshall. To take a guy who was a DB at UGA and turn him into a very solid SEC QB who damn near won it all was pretty impressive. Maybe a lot of that was just Marshall's natural ability, but I think Gus does deserve some credit there.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:42 am to OmegaMan
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We have the lowest percentage of sidewalk Alumni outside of Vandy.
I don't think that's true and why would any Auburn person want it to be? You are saying your football program is so non-extraordinary that it does not attract fans. Everyone is a fan of their alma mater.
I know generational Alabama fans that never attended the University. I didn't grow up an Alabama fan but respected the program. I didn't become a die hard Bama fan till I attended the university. Does that make me a more legit fan then the hundreds of thousands who have supported Alabama football for generations? I don't think so.
Alabama has no professional sports team so people attach themselves pretty early on to either Alabama or Auburn and it makes for an amazing rivalry. Not sure what you are basing that assumption on but I think you missed the mark by a bit. Auburn has huge number of sidewalk alumni and that's a great thing!
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:44 am to LanierSpots
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I loved Tubbs but if you remember, Auburn fans were organizing a lynch mob for him just like they are Gus right now. It was stupid then and that same mob mentality is stupid now.
By all accounts we were calling for Tubs head bc he had lost it. He didn't care anymore. He was tired of fighting boosters and he wasn't recruiting anymore. Auburn fans were right and Bama hadn't won a natty yet so your "fire a coach everytime Bama wins a natty" argument doesn't apply.
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If I remember well, Tubbs also lost two straight OOC games to USC and Georgia Tech. He also lost shitty games to Syracuse, USF and West Virginia. We got one SEC Championship game from him and that was it.
Ok? He still had a reputation for winning the big ones and he won a hell of a lot more rivalry games than Gus has too.
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He also completely destroyed the program in 2008 where Chizik and Gus came in and rebuilt it. Same thing Gus did again in 2013 where you said it was because of Nick Marshall. The Nick Marshall that Gus went and got, brought to a 3-9 team and took them to Pasadena with a sub par defense. I think it was more than just him.
Gus didn't "rebuild" shite. He got a juco qb and ran behind a line he inherited with a rb that he inherited. His system was the catalyst yes, but that system hasn't done shite since Nick Marshall graduated so YES, recent events seem to point that it was Nick that put that team over the top. Maybe he is just another dual threat away from competing but why the frick doesn't he have one????? That's what's so damn frustrating. And this is 4 years now that he's cuffing himself for whatever reason. And that's a fireable offense. And Kelly Bryant isn't the difference maker y'all think he is. If we land him he'll lose us less games than Stidham did but I doubt he wins very many for us.
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Historically, Auburn is not a 10 win team. We are right in our sweet spot as far as wins/Loses are concerned. Now can we do better? Sure and I hope we do.
Doesn't sound like it. You want to keep the coach that keeps losing 4 games a season.
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But to fire a coach everytime UA wins a championship because we dont is just dumb.
This is made up bullshite. That's not even close to the logic Auburn fans are using.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:52 am to playmakers in space
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I thought he did pretty well with Nick Marshall. To take a guy who was a DB at UGA and turn him into a very solid SEC QB who damn near won it all was pretty impressive. Maybe a lot of that was just Marshall's natural ability, but I think Gus does deserve some credit there.
I think 95% was Marshall's ability. The other 5%, in my opinion, was Malzahn training him on the zone-read. I don't think his passing ability improved at all.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:00 am to AUcarlton
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I think 95% was Marshall's ability. The other 5%, in my opinion, was Malzahn training him on the zone-read. I don't think his passing ability improved at all.
Fair enough. You would know better than me. Marshall did throw a pretty deep ball.
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