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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument

Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38029 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:59 pm to
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Because unfortunately college football doesn't have a playoff system therefore seeding doesn't apply.



It's not a question of seeding or it being a playoff system, it's a question of rewarding the supposed "best" team, or the one that puts together the best regular season. The classic way to handle this is to reward them with an easier road to the championship.
Posted by Daigeaux
Mountains of East Tennessee
Member since Jul 2005
6065 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:59 pm to
Don't cry....

Bama vs Houston, BCS Bowl. Quit whining...
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121415 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:02 pm to
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You'd rather play some weak arse OSU than Alabama for the title.


Dang arty, as much as you talk about reading is fundamental, guess you missed this;

LINK

Or maybe this;

LINK

Keep at it. They will give you that smiley face sticker eventually.
Posted by coolmonk
Member since Jan 2007
1133 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:03 pm to
The BCS is a broken system, so there is no such thing as getting the 1-2 teams to play. Need a playoff system.

The reason I don't want to see a rematch is this. If LSU wins, so what? We already saw that. If Bama wins, then they are 1-1. Bama would get the trophy, although LSU won on the road against Bama which is really a better win.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
59932 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:05 pm to
lol, its not a ridiculous argument at all.

Bama had their chance, at home no less, and blew it.

End of story.

A rematch in the title game completely discredits anyone who has ever tried to defend the BCS system with the (false) notion that the college football season is one long playoff.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17745 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:05 pm to
Regular season is the playoffs. Bama lost, get over it.
Posted by arty
Member since Nov 2010
927 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:06 pm to
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Dang arty, as much as you talk about reading is fundamental, guess you missed this;

LINK

Or maybe this;

LINK

Keep at it. They will give you that smiley face sticker eventually.


I guess you missed this.

Hard to pick out the men from the mustard bloated corndog buzzards.

LINK

Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:07 pm to
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Do you mean throwing the ball on 2nd and 10?


Yes.

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It may be very likely in regulation, not in FG range when you don't have Richardson, Lacy or Fowler but it's not a given in Saban's offense in OT when you know you need to score something


When you've been shut down to the tune of 96 yards rushing and your kicker can't make a 40+ yard FG, passing on 2nd and 10 from the 25 seems a really likely play call, even for Saban. You do realize that Alabama had basically a 50/50 run/pass ratio in the game, right? I think that's considerably more passing than Saban usually likes to do. He did it because he had to, because we made him do it by shutting down your running game.


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It was more like you didn't have to throw because all you had to do was run it enough to get lined up for a FG. That's the beauty of winning the coin toss and playing defense first.


...and stopping the opponent without a score.

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Bama has a better percentage of winning OT when they win the coin toss if I'm not mistaken


I don't know which OT games Bama won or lost the toss. I know that when Saban was at LSU, his three overtime wins all came when we had the ball first.
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8403 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:09 pm to
I believe that the coaches and harris poll voters will have a choice at 11PM on Dec 3rd. Rematch or No Rematch. If 2006 is to be a guide, OSU (assuming they beat OU) is likely in. (See Michigan a-la 2006)
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121415 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:14 pm to
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...mustard bloated corndog buzzards.




Now that is a word picture if ever I saw one. The key to effective writing that persuades and informs.

Posted by arty
Member since Nov 2010
927 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:16 pm to
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Yes.


Nope. 2nd and 10 isn't necessarily a throwing down for the reasons I stated. In fact I can't tell you how many times I've griped that Saban would waste a 1st down by throwing it and then leave us behind the sticks only to run the ball on 2nd and 3rd. If I've griped about it once it's been a million times.

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When you've been shut down to the tune of 96 yards rushing and your kicker can't make a 40+ yard FG, passing on 2nd and 10 from the 25 seems a really likely play call, even for Saban. You do realize that Alabama had basically a 50/50 run/pass ratio in the game, right? I think that's considerably more passing than Saban usually likes to do. He did it because he had to, because we made him do it by shutting down your running game.


Not really. Saban has always like balance and we've been balanced for a few years now. In fact it's eerie how close the pass/run ratio has been.

It wasn't forced. Saban wasn't thinking FG at that point. He wanted a TD because he thought he could hold LSU out of the end zone. Look at the times LSU got close and couldn't punch it in. They got down to the 2 in regulation and the 7 in OT.

I would have played a run on first even if it didn't get positive yardage and tried to keep the ball in the middle of the field in case I needed a FG as a plan B. But I don't get to make 4 mil for making the calls.

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..and stopping the opponent without a score.


That helps.

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I don't know which OT games Bama won or lost the toss. I know that when Saban was at LSU, his three overtime wins all came when we had the ball first.


It "ain't" worked out that way at Bama.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 5:20 pm
Posted by arty
Member since Nov 2010
927 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:17 pm to
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Now that is a word picture if ever I saw one. The key to effective writing that persuades and informs.


Glad I could amuse you.
Posted by Seto Vlatka
Member since Oct 2011
812 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:19 pm to
My god when will these dumbass Alabama fans STFU? If there is one reason to oppose a rematch it's the fact we'll have to listen to these idiots for the next month.
Posted by arty
Member since Nov 2010
927 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:21 pm to
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My god when will these dumbass Alabama fans STFU? If there is one reason to oppose a rematch it's the fact we'll have to listen to these idiots for the next month.


If you don't like it then join your sycophants on Tiger Rant.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121415 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:21 pm to
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Glad I could amuse you.


More than you could ever know. Keep hammering away. I think you can get to one thousand posts tonight. Represent.
Posted by arty
Member since Nov 2010
927 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:23 pm to
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More than you could ever know. Keep hammering away. I think you can get to one thousand posts tonight. Represent.


Nah. It's time for me to run errands. I enjoy the banter though.

Don't eat any bad corndogs.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121415 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:27 pm to
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Don't eat any bad corndogs.


No such thing. Going to get one on the way home from church tonight. With mustard on the side.
Posted by JColtF
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Aug 2008
4760 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:27 pm to
With a month to prepare for a game in New Orleans we'd beat Bama by at least 10 points and they are easily the 2nd best team in the nation. But what's the point of playing them again? They'll just have another excuse as to why they lost.

Posted by Gekko
Costa Rica
Member since Nov 2010
2519 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:32 pm to
The main difference would be home field advantage...which vegas assigns a premium for. I want to say its either 4 or 6 pts on average. So therefore, if we lost by 3, that would mean that based on the above logic, we would be at least equal on a neutral field.

Once again, bama lost, at home...What do you idiots not understand?
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9460 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:32 pm to
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lol, its not a ridiculous argument at all.

Bama had their chance, at home no less, and blew it.

End of story.

A rematch in the title game completely discredits anyone who has ever tried to defend the BCS system with the (false) notion that the college football season is one long playoff.


So by your logic Okie State could lose to Oklahoma, Va Tech could lose again, Stanford could lose to Notre Dame and Alabama STILL doesn't deserve to be #2 because it lost to #1 by a field goal in OT? Who the f### are you going to put in the BCS title game against LSU then? Let me guess....Houston. After all, they did win the always brutal Conference USA.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 5:33 pm
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