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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:21 am to arty
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:21 am to arty
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You don't see it because you want the weakest opponent so you can always remember 2011 as the year since 1958 you didn't lose a game and won the title.
See what? We already beat you. I could undertand if we were trying to get out of playing Bama at all this year, but we already beat you.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:21 am to ForeLSU
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Rematch arguments would basically be based on the premise that "we're trying to determine the best team and crown them champion. If you lose to #1 at home, you're not the best team, therefore you're out. We really don't care who the theoretical 2nd best team is, the goal is to find the best team." The validity of this argument is it keeps the most importance on the regular season, particularly November.
I'm not sure if we're are arguing for the same thing or not but if you go on the premise that you lost to #1 and therefore you're not the #1 team then I agree. However, the idea isn't to find the #1 team. We already know LSU is the #1 team. We're trying to determine who #2 is. Seeing as how the other 1 loss contenders haven't played #1 LSU, we don't know if they are better or more deserving to be #2 than the contender that lost to #1 in the regular season. Because the contenders who haven't played #1 LSU have lost a game to another team we then have to look at each team's body of work seeing as all contenders have 1 loss. This is where you have to divorce LSU from the situation and look at each team's loss on the basis that 1 team lost to the #1 team, 1 team lost to a 6-4 unranked team, and so on.
P.S. If the goal is to "keep the validity of the importance of the regular season especially November", I would assume that includes the ENTIRE month of November and not just November 5th. The Alabama loss was definitely a big blow at the time and it caused Alabama not to have any control over its own destiny. However, situations don't remain static and things can and do change a team's circumstances. Alabama got very lucky and several dominos fell in Alabama's favor in the 2 weeks since they lost to LSU. Inventing non-existant rules to disqualify Alabama because these lucky breaks happened and every team around them lost is making up the rules as you go along. Alabama is at #2 as LSU would be right now had the Nov 5th game been a close Alabama win in OT.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:22 am to arty
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Pisses you off you might have to play Gawga for nothing doesn't it?
it should be a little disheartening for all SEC fans that the SEC championship has lost a little relevance this year.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:23 am to LNCHBOX
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Regardless of all that nonsense you typed out, you're saying the Big 12 doesn't have a champion just because they don't have a championship game?
No, they can be the champion of the one division Big 12. They still will have played one less game.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:24 am to LNCHBOX
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See what? We already beat you. I could undertand if we were trying to get out of playing Bama at all this year, but we already beat you.
But that's just it. You are trying to get out of playing Bama just not the first time. Just man up and say it. I'd feel the same way. I admit it. I wouldn't want to have to play an extra game for nothing just to play for the title. And I would rather play a weak sister of the poor rather than the best defense in the nation.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:24 am to Govt Tide
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The point is that this entire website is loaded with thread after thread and post after post...
We would take it to your message board but they will not let LSU posters in. Wonder why.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:25 am to jatebe
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No, they can be the champion of the one division Big 12. They still will have played one less game.
They played more conference games than Bama will this year.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:25 am to therick711
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Bama fans didn't respect the result the first time, I have no reason to believe they will respect the result the second time.
This.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:26 am to Govt Tide
One of the beauties of this whole situation is how it brings the LSU insecurity regarding all things Alabama rushing to the surface. I wonder if the anti-rematch hysteria would be as stridently over the top if this were Auburn or Ole Miss involved and not the Tide.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:27 am to arty
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You got close twice.
And the funny thing is, that was once more than we needed.
9-6
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:27 am to arty
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You are trying to get out of playing Bama just not the first time
I'm not trying to do shite. I have no problem playing Bama again. Someone else should get a shot since we already beat you is my only gripe about it. You won't be getting our worst game of the season again, Bama doesn't scare me.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:28 am to Govt Tide
The fact that LSU is seemingly being punished by having to play an additional game against a good team is what makes this scenario fricked. While LSU is playing UGA with the chance of injury and loss, Alabama will be sitting at home watching, resting, and preparing. Basically, if this scenario plays out, there was incentive to loose the game against Alabama for LSU. I do not believe the voters will allow this game to take place because of the aforementioned situation. If the game was at Tiger Stadium, then yes, there would be more of a case for bama. I do believe that LSU/Bama are the best two teams in the country right now...but...I also believed that LSU was the best team at the end of 06 and UGA was....well you get the point.
ETA: LSU fans, don't buy into all of the Rednecks stating that you are scared to play them again...who wouldn't want another chance at the title??? They are using the insecurity blanket to hide the fact that they lost, at home, to a better team...WVU had better stats against LSU, does that mean that they are a better team??? Leave the stats at home Billy Joe, the only stat that matters is on the scoreboard at 00:00.
ETA: LSU fans, don't buy into all of the Rednecks stating that you are scared to play them again...who wouldn't want another chance at the title??? They are using the insecurity blanket to hide the fact that they lost, at home, to a better team...WVU had better stats against LSU, does that mean that they are a better team??? Leave the stats at home Billy Joe, the only stat that matters is on the scoreboard at 00:00.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:28 am to SoFla Tideroller
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One of the beauties of this whole situation is how it brings the LSU insecurity regarding all things Alabama rushing to the surface. I wonder if the anti-rematch hysteria would be as stridently over the top if this were Auburn or Ole Miss involved and not the Tide.
Only in delusional Alabama could Alabama losing to LSU say something about LSU's insecurities about Alabama. You folks have no shame. I think you need to get back on topic and quit letting your butt hurt show.
Back on topic, would Bama fans feel cheated if OSU ended up number 2? What would be the consensus on if that happened?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:31 am to Govt Tide
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This seems to be the ONE argument those against a rematch cling to for dear life.
I wouldn't say its the only argument.
OSU will have a better resume
OSU will have won its conference (arguably the toughest in the nation)
Really, Alabama's argument is based solely on perception.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:31 am to Govt Tide
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We're trying to determine who #2 is.
again, that scenario was just "another way to look at it" if you're a voter. In my view the goal of the BCS is to try to do the best job possible of crowning a champion on the field, not simply just to match up the theoretical 2 best teams at the end of the year.
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This is where you have to divorce LSU from the situation and look at each team's loss on the basis that 1 team lost to the #1 team, 1 team lost to a 6-4 unranked team, and so on.
but you have to look at their wins and accomplishments, as well as their losses, 2 better wins should offset 1 worse loss, for example.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:34 am to SoFla Tideroller
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One of the beauties of this whole situation is how it brings the LSU insecurity regarding all things Alabama rushing to the surface.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:35 am to Wolfhound45
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And the funny thing is, that was once more than we needed.
9-6
Yep. We have a better defense but the corndogs have a better punter. Without him you might have gotten 3 and there wouldn't have been an over time.
In a game of defense, the team with the better punter will most often win. The problem with Saban's strategy is he didn't use his punter often enough instead he asked something of his kickers they weren't capable of doing. Saban got out Sabanized by the Hat. I'm hoping he won't make the same mistake twice.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:36 am to LNCHBOX
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I'm not trying to do shite. I have no problem playing Bama again. Someone else should get a shot since we already beat you is my only gripe about it. You won't be getting our worst game of the season again, Bama doesn't scare me.
That sounds good anyway.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:36 am to arty
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We have a better defense
How many points did you score again?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 11:37 am to Gekko
Would you be making this same argument if the roles were reversed and Alabama won 9-6 in OT and LSU was currently sitting at #2 only needing a win over Arkansas while Alabama would need a road win at Auburn and then a win in the SEC title game over Georgia? Make no mistake about it either, LSU WOULD definitely be #2 right now if the roles were reversed. I'm going to go out on a wide limb and say you wouldn't. 
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