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re: The SEC RB Pantheon
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:46 am to HinesvilleThrill
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:46 am to HinesvilleThrill
I think Emmitt was every bit as good as either Bo or Hershchel but didn't have the supporting cast, playing on a team with scholarship limitations due to NCAA probation and terrible QB play from 1986 -1989. The playbook was Emmitt right, Emmitt left and Emmitt up the middle. My evidence to this case would be his NFL career.
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:56 am to skrayper
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skrayperThe SEC RB Pantheon by skrayperquote:Worst Heisman choice since John Huarte (who? - you can look it up) in 1964 Actually, that would be Pat Sullivan. Remind us how his last Iron Bowl went?
Jason White, Gino Torretta say hi.
WOAT: Terry Baker, Oregon State QB, who, on national TV, had a 95 yard QB keeper - his highlight play of the year.
He won over consensus All-American LSU Safety and kick returner Jerry Stovall - who went on to 9 Pro Balls with the St.Louis Cardinals.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:59 am to TexasAg13
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Mark Ingram
fumbled away the 2009 Tennessee game. since Heisman equals you can still fumble the game away the Heisman is suspect.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:05 pm to JETigER
Even though I dislike Georgia intensely, I have to wonder where Todd Gurley would have been on this list if he had been on the field more.
Compare those numbers to some of the guys like Walker and it doesn't include the fact that he was maybe the most dangerous returner in all of the NCAA when healthy. He just didn't get enough carries in the long run.
Compare those numbers to some of the guys like Walker and it doesn't include the fact that he was maybe the most dangerous returner in all of the NCAA when healthy. He just didn't get enough carries in the long run.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:11 pm to HinesvilleThrill
A heisman or consecutive Doak Walker awards, at least two HUGE rushing years, and at least 5000 yards and 45 rushing TDs in a 3 year career. I say three year career because nobody who is that good will play for four years.
I consider Darren McFadden and Kevin Faulk, just a slight notch below guys like Herschel and Bo. McFadden was runner up two years for the heisman, and won back to back Doak Walker awards. Kevin Faulk pretty much carried a bad team with three consecutive 1150+ yard 12+ TD seasons. He was also extremely versatile scoring on kicks, punts, receiving, and passing.
Since the heisman is basically just another QB award, I'll stick to the 5000 yard 50 TD mark
Henry can't do that since he is leaving this year. So that leaves in the near future, Chubb, Fournette, whoever Auburn has that is willing to produce 3 straight years (even if he is eligible in year two), and whoever Arkansas has starting after both guys declare this year. I'll focus on Chubb and Fournette since they have played a year already.
Chubb would need an average of 1726.5 yards and 18 TDs over the next 2 years. Fournette would need an average of 1983 yards and 20 TDs over the next two years.
I consider Darren McFadden and Kevin Faulk, just a slight notch below guys like Herschel and Bo. McFadden was runner up two years for the heisman, and won back to back Doak Walker awards. Kevin Faulk pretty much carried a bad team with three consecutive 1150+ yard 12+ TD seasons. He was also extremely versatile scoring on kicks, punts, receiving, and passing.
Since the heisman is basically just another QB award, I'll stick to the 5000 yard 50 TD mark
Henry can't do that since he is leaving this year. So that leaves in the near future, Chubb, Fournette, whoever Auburn has that is willing to produce 3 straight years (even if he is eligible in year two), and whoever Arkansas has starting after both guys declare this year. I'll focus on Chubb and Fournette since they have played a year already.
Chubb would need an average of 1726.5 yards and 18 TDs over the next 2 years. Fournette would need an average of 1983 yards and 20 TDs over the next two years.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:16 pm to HinesvilleThrill
McFadden is underrated now because of his sub par NFL career (based on expectations). But they literally designed a whole offense without a QB so he'd get the ball more. Those Arky teams would've been AWFUL without him.
He was incredible
He was incredible
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:28 pm to Tiger1242
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Those Arky teams would've been AWFUL without him
Still would have had Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis, but McFadden was a gamechanger.
Scored on a kick return, passing TD, rushing TD and receiving TD. Would have been a great safety too.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:33 pm to gohogs141
Felix Jones would have been an above average SEC RB without McFadden, with him he led the SEC in YPC twice
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:39 pm to madmaxvol
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madmaxvol
I can't find a gif of it, but HW has one of the most underappreciated over the top jumps I've ever seen. It was against ole miss, I bleieve in 82. We're on like the 5 so I'm not sure why he was diving over the top anyway, but an ILB hits him head on about the 3, herschel's body absorbs the impact and at THE SAME TIME starts a spin move, leaving the LB on the ground and herschel walking in upright from the 3.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:41 pm to HinesvilleThrill
Chubb would be on that list of Richt would take him off his tit.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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I can't find a gif of it, but HW has one of the most underappreciated over the top jumps I've ever seen. It was against ole miss, I bleieve in 82. We're on like the 5 so I'm not sure why he was diving over the top anyway, but an ILB hits him head on about the 3, herschel's body absorbs the impact and at THE SAME TIME starts a spin move, leaving the LB on the ground and herschel walking in upright from the 3.
Holy Crap...I remember that play.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:41 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:44 pm to WG_Dawg
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found it, go to 2:40 in the video
yep...that's the one I was thinking of.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:53 pm to rebsfan10
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:59 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Wow.
We're on like the 5 so I'm not sure why he was diving over the top anyway, but an ILB hits him head on about the 3, herschel's body absorbs the impact and at THE SAME TIME starts a spin move, leaving the LB on the ground and herschel walking in upright from the 3.
I agree with the above, while there have been many truly upper echelon RBs in the conference, Herschel and Bo are truly a cut above everyone else.
While Emmitt didn't have the kind of SEC career he could have had he been on a team the caliber of UGa or AU in the early 80s, I think a case can be made for him having the greatest career, start to finish at all competitive levels, of any man who ever played the position. And he did this despite not being anywhere near the physical specimen that Herchel, Bo, Cannon, McFadden, or anyone else in this thread was during their college days.
I still wonder what kind of numbers Emmitt would have put up had he not missed several games due to injury in his Soph season, and if he'd have stuck around for his Senior year under Spurrier.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:16 pm to FearlessFreep
emmitt ran a frickin 4.7 lol and yes he absolutely had the best career of anybody ever to play the position
first team all sec every yr
11 or 12 straight 1000+ yard seasons
most all time rushing yds
3 superbowl ringss pretty sure he was mvp in 1 or 2 also
first team all sec every yr
11 or 12 straight 1000+ yard seasons
most all time rushing yds
3 superbowl ringss pretty sure he was mvp in 1 or 2 also
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:24 pm to Tornado Alley
I'm thinking Chubb has more potential to get there than anyone plus his situation with an inexperienced QB this year means he will be counted on heavily.
Now if Richt can just not lose control of the season, Chubb has a chance.
Now if Richt can just not lose control of the season, Chubb has a chance.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:25 pm to gatortrav88
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The SEC RB Pantheon
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11 or 12 straight 1000+ yard seasons
most all time rushing yds
3 superbowl ringss pretty sure he was mvp in 1 or 2 also
all of that has literally nothing to do with the original question.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:27 pm to TexasAg13
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Mark Ingram
Or he gets the ball stripped out on his way to a touchdown and eventually that play costs his team the Iron Bowl.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:30 pm to Cruiserhog
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such bull shite...they are not 'head and shoulders' above everyone else.
they wouldnt even be top gun if Dmac would have stayed.
Darren McFadden would have smashed every record for the RB position had he stayed four years. There would be no discussion. He had 4500 yards in 3 years
Are you serious right now?? Let's compare:
Darren McFadden:
Att-785 Yards-4590 Avg-5.8 TD-41
Arkansas record 2005-2007: 22-16.
He had no Heisman, no SEC championships, and no National championships.
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Herschel Walker:
Att-994 Yards-5259 Avg-5.3 TD-49
UGA record 1980-1982: 33-3
He had a Heisman, 3 SEC championships, and a national championship.
What you meant to say, was if HW had stayed, there would NEVER be a player that could beat any of his records...
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