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re: The SEC not taking it easy on players?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:31 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:31 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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I'm saying they should be held to the same standards as every other student enrolled at the school.
This is flat out asinine. It's a privilege to play college football and even moreso to do it on scholarship. They are afforded many more luxuries than other students, so they need to be held to a higher standard.
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:32 am to thatguy1892
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Back in early July, senior Buckeye linebacker Storm Klein was arrested for “violently and purposefully” grabbing his ex-girlfriend and mother of his child and throwing her into a door in his apartment. Urban Meyer swiftly dismissed Klein from the team as Klein violated “the core values of the Ohio State football program.”
Recently, the victim recanted her story, and Klein pled guilty to a lesser misdemeanor charge. Urban then reinstated Klein – though he’ll miss the first two games of the season.
So at OSU it's only against their code to beat your woman if you can't get her to recant?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:32 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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It's fricking bullshite the way these Universities own these players like indentured servants. Oh we'll give you a scholarship and housing if you come play ball for us and help generate millions of dollars for the school, but you can forget about experiencing the genuine traditional college experience. We fricking own your arse.
You know if a university, any university was providing me everything I needed , including stipend check, at no cost but me living up to their standard on and off the field; I'd have to have one inflated ego to think I'm above the program. Why risk throwing that away?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:33 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I was trying to be funny 
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:35 am to Stonehog
This weed vote thing has people talking. Its pretty much all I've thought about for two days.
I hope it passes.
I hope it passes.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:36 am to memphisplaya
He instituted it soon after arriving at AU. I think it was his second year, 1982, but it may have been his first in 1981.
But yeah, he was the first. Before Dye, no SEC football programs had any type of drug testing.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:38 am to Numberwang
I'm registering to vote up here just for that bill. I want recruiting to improve, and free legal weed is a huge step in that direction.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:38 am to Numberwang
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I hope it passes.
Why? You have glaucoma?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:38 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I remember hearing Janoris Jenkins saying that if Urban was still the coach, Jenkins wouldn't have gotten kicked out of UF. I wonder when all of this will catch up to Meyer... if ever.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:38 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
That is interesting. Thanks for sharing 
How often did he test? Also how long have tests been available?
How often did he test? Also how long have tests been available?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:39 am to BTHog
No, but I might get cancer someday. Why are you against it? Legal pain pills and anti-anxiety drugs actually kill kids every year. Weed doesn't.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:40 am to memphisplaya
Actually, it was before the 1983 season.
And amazing I found a link to a story about it in the New York Times. I was just saying it earlier because I read it somewhere else years ago. I think maybe from his autobiography.
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And amazing I found a link to a story about it in the New York Times. I was just saying it earlier because I read it somewhere else years ago. I think maybe from his autobiography.
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NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 21— Auburn football players who returned to campus in Alabama on Saturday were required to take blood and urine tests for drugs, Pat Dye, the university's football coach, confirmed.
Auburn, a favorite to win the Southeastern Conference championship, was the first conference team to require such testing.
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:44 am to ProjectP2294
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This is flat out asinine.
maybe
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It's a privilege to play college football
Really?
Where else is a promising young football player suppose to take his talents?
The NCAA has a virtual legal monopoly on football players 18-21.
This gives the schools the ability to hold players to pretty much whatever standard they want without consequence.
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They are afforded many more luxuries than other students,
Other than school, housing, and meals it's not much.
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they need to be held to a higher standard.
Maybe but my point is the Schools and NCAA have too much leverage over the players.
They continually increase the number of games these guys have to play and there is no player union or representation to stand up on their behalf.
It's fricking bullshite.
The disciplinary policies are only a small part of it.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:47 am to memphisplaya
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You know if a university, any university was providing me everything I needed , including stipend check, at no cost but me living up to their standard on and off the field; I'd have to have one inflated ego to think I'm above the program. Why risk throwing that away?
I agree with all that, players should be expected to follow the rules and I would be the same way.
My argument is the schools and NCAA have way too much power over these players who are the source of the product they are selling on the football field.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:47 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Other than school, housing, and meals it's not much.
What? That's a lot!
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:48 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Hugo Stiglitz
Here's my biggest argument against what you are selling.
90% of college football players have no future in football beyond college. Those same 90% would not have a chance of getting into college if they couldn't play football. So yes, they should tolerate whatever they have to.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:49 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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My argument is the schools and NCAA have way too much power over these players who are the source of the product they are selling on the football field.
Then they can choose to not take the scholarship and not play and take out a loan to pay for school like everyone else, if they can still get in.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:50 am to Hugo Stiglitz
He is referring it being a privilege that college FB athletes are given free rides through college. They could live a life on the street instead, but universities Open their arms and agree to pay for the students fees as long as he keeps to their academic and athletic curriculum. Other sports give much less to their athletes, so for a FB player to insist on "living as a college student" is insane since they live better than most college students already.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:53 am to BTHog
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90% of college football players have no future in football beyond college.
Yes and 100% of the NFL's players come from NCAA schools.
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Those same 90% would not have a chance of getting into college if they couldn't play football.
I don't think this is correct.
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So yes, they should tolerate whatever they have to.
Even if it's unreasonable?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 11:56 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Other than school, housing, and meals it's not much.
If you think that this is the only legal benefits they get above and beyond what regular students are afforded, then you are too ignorant on this topic for me to continue discussing with you.
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