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re: The reason the Playoffs will NEVER expand
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:52 pm to TrendingRight
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:52 pm to TrendingRight
If college presidents, ADs, and TV execs can fee confident it will make them more money, there will be an 8 team playoff regardless of whether it is good or bad for the sport.
The game we love is firmly in the hands of people hell bent on wringing every last cent out of it until it’s an unrecognizable husk and there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it short of not tuning in.
The game we love is firmly in the hands of people hell bent on wringing every last cent out of it until it’s an unrecognizable husk and there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it short of not tuning in.
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Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:53 pm to Loserman
What makes the Playoffs special is there are so few of them. Expand to an 8 team Playoff and the traditional Bowl games will disappear. They already lose money - why would anyone attend or televise them?
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:54 pm to TrendingRight
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ESPN is losing money on their NCAA Bowl Package
That's not even remotely true. There's a reason ESPN now owns 14 of the lower tier bowl games outright, and has broadcast rights to 35 of the 40. They make significant profit on live events, especially the ones that don't have any viewing competition.
They are so successful for ESPN, that the network just created ANOTHER one that will begin in 2020.
Hell, last year's game between Troy and Ohio had 2.5 million viewers. They don't lose money on any of them.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:56 pm to JackTraven
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Ticket prices are a rounding error in revenue for these games. Notice almost all of them are empty but somehow ESPN keeps adding them.
ESPN is forced to carry them. They're part of the overall Conference TV package. ESPN doesn't want them and loses money on them.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:56 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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When they figure out how to have playoff games at on-campus sites, the playoffs will expand.
That is a bit of a conundrum. The concept is simple, but the timing is problematic. Do you do it hard on the heels of the regular season? Does that require eliminating conference championship games? If you do it the first or second Saturay in December, what happens to the losers? Do they go home while a bunch of mediocre teams get a trip to the beach and extra practices? If not, do we wait to announce bowl pairings until after the first round of the playoffs?
If you have the first round at the same time as most bowl games, that's going to push the championship game into the second semester at most schools, which will result in some players, who don't take care of business in the classroom in the fall semester, becoming ineligible.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:00 pm to TrendingRight
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If that happens it will spell doom for college football. The #1 seed will blow out the # 8 seed by 40 points or more most of the time and the game will be a colossal ratings flop as will many of the other mismatches. There are NEVER 8 GREAT college football teams. You would have 2 or 3 blowouts and one of two good games in the first round and ratings would decline drastically from where they are now with 4 teams. TV ratings will also drop drastically when the stadiums are empty.
The number 8 team can beat the number 1 team. This isn't like Basketball where a 16 seed has only once beat a number 1 seed.
Essentially the Four 16th seeds in basket ball are the 64th, 63rd, 62nd and 61st best teams playing the top 4 teams.
The 8th best team in football can beat the best team on practically any given saturday. So far no #1 seed has won the 4 team playoff
An 8th seed team could easily beat the Number 1 seed at least once every 3 or 4 years.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:00 pm to Evolved Simian
All about ad revenue and when you position yourself as the only show in town on the days before and after Christmas, you’re going to make bank regardless of quality of matchup or butts in seats.
As for CFP games, they’re not going to sell out so long as the ticket prices are astronomical and the same fricking teams keep making it.
The proliferation of TV coverage in college football is the greatest thing to ever happen to the sport and it’s also going to be the thing that kills it.
As for CFP games, they’re not going to sell out so long as the ticket prices are astronomical and the same fricking teams keep making it.
The proliferation of TV coverage in college football is the greatest thing to ever happen to the sport and it’s also going to be the thing that kills it.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:03 pm to TrendingRight
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ESPN doesn't want them and loses money on them.
This might be the most ignorant statement in the thread.
If they lost money, ESPN wouldn't keep buying them. These are the bowl games that ESPN now OWNS:
Texas Bowl
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl
Bahamas Bowl
Birmingham Bowl
Celebration Bowl
Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl
Potato Bowl
Frisco Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
Hawai’i Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Armed Forces Bowl
Camellia Bowl
First Responder Bowl
And they just created a new one in Myrtle Beach that will kickoff in 2020. They have already secured conference affiliations for it.
They're not losing a damn cent on these.
ESPN Events now owns three Labor Day weekend college football games; FCS opening-weekend game; 14 college bowl games, 11 college basketball events and two college award shows.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:09 pm to Evolved Simian
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This might be the most ignorant statement in the thread.
If they lost money, ESPN wouldn't keep buying them. These are the bowl games that ESPN now OWNS:
Texas Bowl
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl
Bahamas Bowl
Birmingham Bowl
Celebration Bowl
Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl
Potato Bowl
Frisco Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
Hawai’i Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Armed Forces Bowl
Camellia Bowl
First Responder Bowl
And they just created a new one in Myrtle Beach that will kickoff in 2020. They have already secured conference affiliations for it.
They're not losing a damn cent on these.
ESPN is under severe pressure from Disney to cut back this package because it IS losing money. If you really believe that list of Bowls earned ESPN a profit I'd like to sell you some swamp land in Gross Tete Louisiana
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:10 pm to TrendingRight
If they stop making a profit, they'll stop producing these bowls in due time...
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:13 pm to hoojy
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If they stop making a profit, they'll stop producing these bowls in due time...
They've already jumped the shark and have been losing money for years. The Playoffs save them. Expand the Playoffs and the Bowls will disappear.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:15 pm to TrendingRight
I think it will even itself out in time.
It might not, tho.
Either way, I don't watch these shitty bowl games so...
It might not, tho.
Either way, I don't watch these shitty bowl games so...
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:15 pm to Glory, Glory
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OU and ND are not two of the top 4 teams
Only other team you could replace either with is Ohio State. Would that really make a difference? The committee got it right.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:17 pm to Jacknola
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Most seasons there are not eight teams with the record and power credentials to deserve to be in the CFPO conversation. Expanding the playoffs will result in the following:
1. Kill the importance of conferences and do away with conference championship games; (Why hold a conference champion game that will knock one of your teams out of consideration? And for that matter, why should some SEC team beat their brains out playing in the SECw when they could play a UCF schedule and make the playoff?)
2. Immediately begin causing schedules to be watered down making them as easy as possible. If a UCF EVER makes a playoff with the type of schedule they obviously prefer, you will see many P5 teams shying away from “real” games while looking for “easy.”
3. Will kill all bowl games not in the series removing a reward to 20 teams for a successful season and taking away a bunch of cool inter-conference matchups;
4. Will lead to ever more NFL prospects opting out of ever larger portions of their last season because their team cannot make the final eight.
And what does college football gain by 8 in playoff? Is it just to satisfy some wannabe fan base like UCF who thinks their FBS level schedule should allow them a playoff game? And what team fans beside UCF really are butt hurt about being excluded this year? Ohio State? Georgia? No their fans seem to understand...and who beside those two teams deserved to be in this year?
Keep this in mind with UCF as an example...it isn’t just the schedule weakness because of a couple of opponents. The question is...can your team stand up against the attrition of a schedule with 6-8 real opponents? A UCF type team might win an occasional SEC game but would be chopped up by the attrition of a full season.
No to expanded playoffs.
Smartest man in the thread. Pay attention to the post above.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:18 pm to Evolved Simian
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They're not losing a damn cent on these.
You realize if cord cutting continues then Disney will have to subsidize ESPN by 2021-2022? The whole damn operation will no longer be profitable. But you are trying tell tell us meaningless Bowl games are?
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:20 pm to TrendingRight
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They've already jumped the shark and have been losing money for years. The Playoffs save them. Expand the Playoffs and the Bowls will disappear.
The best way to get rid of the shitty bowls would be to not let teams go to bowls with less than 7 wins.
6-6 teams should sit at home.
No team should end up with a losing record for playing in a bowl game, which is what happens when two 6-6 teams play.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:22 pm to Jake_LaMotta
The ESPN bowl packages are about having viable programming during what is otherwise a dead part of the season. They may lose a little or not but having viable programming on catches a lot casual viewers that have nothing else to watch, and the hardcore CFB fans. Dead programming is toxic and they will lose a bit of money to avoid it.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:23 pm to hoojy
I know what IS expanding
Your vagina
Your vagina
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:25 pm to MeatPants
Eh?
Tell me where I was wrong in my post.
That or shut your uncle dad's cockholster, you inbred fig.
Tell me where I was wrong in my post.
That or shut your uncle dad's cockholster, you inbred fig.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:25 pm to TrendingRight
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ESPN is under severe pressure from Disney to cut back this package because it IS losing money.
No, it isn't losing money. They're under pressure from Disney simply to cut costs, because they've lost 15 million subscribers in the last 7 years and they overpaid for the LebroNBA, which, despite it's rise in popularity, still has lower viewership than it did in 1998. Not to mention the $2 billion it paid for MNF, which it will never be able to renew.
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