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The NCAA and how they use precedent.

Posted on 11/11/10 at 6:55 pm
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 6:55 pm
A very well known attorney who has been involved in NCAA matters for years has given a glimmer of hope to the fans of the lovliest village on the plains. He stated that the NCAA has never used the act of solicitation as the basis for sanctions. They have always used that as circumstantial evidence to bolster the case being made for actual payment. The actual payment has been the basis for sanctions.

I would encourage all those that find heart in those words to speak to a Alabama fan and ask them how much precedent matters to the NCAA.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 6:57 pm to
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I would encourage all those that find heart in those words to speak to a Alabama fan and ask them how much precedent matters to the NCAA.



If Auburn didn't know - vacating the wins is acceptable punishment. Since that is the minimum at this point, Auburn can do a lot to restore it's reputation by sitting him and requesting the wins be vacated now, while the season is still in question and things can be resolved on the field.

It would carry weight with me...
Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 6:57 pm to
I'm ALL IN this thread.
Posted by WoWyHi
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 6:58 pm to
And I'd like to remind you that there's a saying that goes there's a
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 7:00 pm
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 6:59 pm to
You really didn't get the jist of my thread, I don't think.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:00 pm to
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NBamaAlum

Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:01 pm to
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They have always used that as circumstantial evidence to bolster the case being made for actual payment.


.......which is exactly what will happen here.

Money was paid. In your gut, you know it is true. It is all coming out.
Posted by BamaScoop
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:04 pm to
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.......which is exactly what will happen here.

Money was paid. In your gut, you know it is true. It is all coming out.


Exactly! I hate to say it but anybody with a 3 digit IQ has no doubt that Auburn paid Cam Newton. The Auburn fans know it's true they just don't want to admit it. I can't say that I blame them because this would suck if it was happening to us and we were 10-0 and probably the best team in the country.

I hate it for them but sanctions are coming to the plains.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:05 pm to
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You really didn't get the jist of my thread, I don't think.


Maybe not. If they've never used solicitation to support sanctions, you want us to ask the Bama fans about that?
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:05 pm to
Strangers with candy > anything ever. The principal on that show owned me.
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:07 pm to
Attorney Jackson stated that the precedent in these types of cases is that just solicitation isn't enough...and ITAT/Goldberg and the ilk grasped at that.

Ask a Bama fan about precedent in the textbook thing. They totally ignored it.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:11 pm to
Knowing it and proving it are two different things. I know in my bones that Auburn paid Cam Newton but we don't even know if the NCAA is looking at Auburn yet. There haven't been any indications in the press thus far. That could change but if they aren't being investigated for paying Newton then they won't slam Auburn for paying him.
Posted by im4LSU
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:12 pm to
This is different than the bama textbook ordeal. Rules were broken that made a player ineligible, and au played him....

Deal with it
Posted by Bayouphi
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:12 pm to
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he lovliest village on the plains


You do realize that Oliver Goldsmith was writing about a place in India?
Posted by Cabby
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:17 pm to
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A very well known attorney who has been involved in NCAA matters for years has given a glimmer of hope to the fans of the lovliest village on the plains. He stated that the NCAA has never used the act of solicitation as the basis for sanctions. They have always used that as circumstantial evidence to bolster the case being made for actual payment. The actual payment has been the basis for sanctions.


This is true if you sit him now. To continue to play Cam tells me that Auburn knows they are going to get hammered. Auburn knows they paid the kid so they feel what else is they have to lose.

All in.

What's the difference in 3-4 years probation to 4-6. I hope the NCAA takes all scholarships away for the next 4 years.

The only thing worse than cheating is cheating badly.

fricking Barners, you suck at everything even cheating!
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:19 pm to
I feel like you're the second person to not really get what I was saying in the original post.
Posted by bona fide
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:24 pm to
Think you need to type slower.
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:38 pm to




I guess I will just dumb it down.

The NCAA doesn't give a flying frick about precedent. At all. Not one motherfricking bit. They ignored it in the textbook thing at Bama, and no one should take comfort in what attorney Jackson had to say about the matter.
Posted by im4LSU
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:43 pm to
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I feel like you're the second person to not really get what I was saying in the original post.


No, I understand exactly what you are saying but im not saying anything about au being hit with sanctions. Im saying that with all that has come out now(rogers interview, these "tapes", etc.) Cams eligibility is the main point in question. Which if all of this turns out true, Cam will be ruled ineligible for all games he has played in, thus making au forfiet/vacate all wins. On top of that, if au continues to play him knowing that his eligibility is in question, the NCAA can hit au for ignoring this.


if im not mistaken, this is the same reason NC sat marvin austin against LSU, to avoid future trouble with the NCAA


This is nothing like what happened at bama with the textbooks
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 7:44 pm
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 7:47 pm to
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No, I understand exactly what you are saying


Nope.

Please see my last post.

Attorney says precedent is for them to need more than just solicitation. AU fans cream themselves. Bama fans know that the NCAA doesn't give a frick about precedent due to the textbook thing. This is the totality of what I was saying.
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