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Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:19 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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By vacating the win they forfeited the NC and the trophy
No. That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. Vacating the win simply removes the W from their record, it absolutely does not add a loss. I’m not sure how many times this has to be explained. Vacating and forfeiting are not close to the same thing.
Write a letter to the NCAA if you don’t like it. Here’s their official wording:
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FORFEITS AND VACANCIES
There are two instances in which NCAA statisticians change official won-lost records.
They are:
1. When a case ruled on by the NCAA Committees on Infractions include penalties of forfeits or vacancies; or
2. By NCAA executive action (Updated 06/07/2018)
Schools are required to change their records in these instances to agree with the NCAA official records for schools’ and coaches’ overall won-lost records.
To record vacancies for NCAA tournament games, the wins and losses of the penalized team are dropped from its overall record and treated as if no games had been played. To record vacancies for regular season contests, the wins and ties, but not the losses, of the penalized team are dropped from its overall record. This affects season records, all-time records and coaches’ records. Example: If Team A was 18-10 for the season but has to vacate three regular-season wins and a win and loss in the NCAA Tournament, then Team A’s record would now stand at 14-9 for the season. All records that are changed should have an asterisk with the footnote stating something to the effect of “Later vacated by NCAA action”
The won-lost records for each of the opposing teams are not changed when games are vacated.
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To record a forfeit, the wins of the penalized team must be changed to losses, and the losses of its opponents must be changed to wins. This affects season records, all-time records and coaches’ records, and should be changed whenever and wherever these records appear. Except for any student-athletes declared ineligible, the individual statistics are not affected by this action. Example: If Team A was 18-10 for the season but has to forfeit five wins, then Team A’s record would now stand at 13-15 for the season and the won-lost records for each of the opposing teams affected also would be changed.
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:24 pm to Tuscaloosa
Why not award USC the BCS championship? According to you they were undefeated. Answer me this : Has the NCAA forced a forfeit on a team that vacated a win?
If an undefeated team who used players who had used up their eligibility the previous year and the school vacated the wins , would that NCAA still consider that team undefeated?
Please quit chasing your tail.
PS you keep quoting BB rulings. They are written for determining a real championship.Those decisions can be made mid-season and effect NCAAT selection.
If an undefeated team who used players who had used up their eligibility the previous year and the school vacated the wins , would that NCAA still consider that team undefeated?
Please quit chasing your tail.
PS you keep quoting BB rulings. They are written for determining a real championship.Those decisions can be made mid-season and effect NCAAT selection.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:39 pm to Irons Puppet
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Why not award USC the BCS championship?
The BCS took their championship away and declared there would be no winner for the 2004-2005 season. The AP upheld USC’s championship despite their vacating the games played.
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Has the NCAA force a forfeit on a team that vacated a win?
You don’t even know what you’re asking. Vacations & forfeitures are penalties levied by the NCAA. Universities do not even have the ability to self-impose either of those things. It literally can’t happen because schools do not have any authority over official W/L records.
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If an undefeated team who used players who had used up their eligibility the previous year and the school vacated the wins , still consider that team undefeated?
Per the official rule & record book, absolutely. Vacating wins, according to the NCAA, only removes the win from the record book. They do not receive a loss. Therefore, that team is still undefeated. They were not beaten. They did not lose. Undefeated.
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PS you keep quoting BB rulings. They are written for determining a real championship.
I just quoted and provided a link to the official NCAA Statistics Policies & Guidelines document, which includes instructions to cover all NCAA sanctioned sports, all the way down to how forfeited football games should be scored in official records. You should try reading it.
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This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:11 am to Tuscaloosa
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The BCS took their championship away and declared there would be no winner for the 2004-2005 season. The AP upheld USC’s championship despite their vacating the games played.
They took it away because they considered it a loss. They couldn't award it to OU because of the score of the game and how it would affect the validity of the BCS. The only true option was to award it to Auburn and they were not going to do that because they didn't play in their game that year.
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You don’t even know what you’re asking. Vacations & forfeitures are penalties levied by the NCAA. Universities do not even have the ability to self-impose either of those things. It literally can’t happen because schools do not have any authority over official W/L records.
I have said it multiple times on this post. Vacations were acceptable penalties that school did not argue against. The schools do not argue against that penalty because if they did the NCAA would just make them forfeit the games. Read Ole Miss's statement. It wasn't saying the NCAA vacated the victories against their findings.
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er the official rule & record book, absolutely. Vacating wins, according to the NCAA, only removes the win from the record book. They do not receive a loss. Therefore, that team is still undefeated. They were not beaten. They did not lose. Undefeated.
The rule book applies to NCAA BB determinations and NCAAT outcomes. It applies to advancing as much as W/Ls. They even reference the NCAAT.
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I just quoted and provided a link to the official NCAA Statistics Policies & Guidelines document, which includes instructions to cover all NCAA sanctioned sports, all the way down to how forfeited football games should be scored in official records. You should try reading it.
CF is not a sanctioned sport for Division I football. At the lower levels if it counted as a loss it would mean the 16 team playoffs were not valid those years. That is why they do not show it as a loss in the record books. Again, show me where the tournament or the lower level Football playoffs show a team vacated a win. Is the 2005 USC football team undefeated in regular season?
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Why the footnote?
On June 10, 2010, USC was forced to vacate two wins from the 2004 season, and all wins from the 2005 season, after an NCAA investigation into the football program (and men's basketball program) declared Bush retroactively ineligible. Additional sanctions included a bowl ban in 2010 and 2011, and the loss of 30 football scholarships (10 per year in 2010, 2011, and 2012).[15] All official NCAA records show the Trojans as having a 0–0 record during the 2005 season, including the loss to Texas in the National Championship being vacated.[3]
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 12:14 am
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:14 am to Irons Puppet
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CF is not a sanctioned sport for Division I football.
Quoting for posterity. I hope everyone on this board wakes up tomorrow morning and reads this thread. It’s better than your list of interviews.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:05 am to Tuscaloosa
Does the NCAA recognize Division I championship? There is not a sanctioned championship. You are still ignoring the link I posted.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:34 am to Irons Puppet
Just some cliffs from Irons Puppet for those of you who don’t have time to read the last several pages:
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Google it dumbass. Information is at you fingertips
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2004, [Auburn] only undefeated team from a major conference.
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[2004] USC forfeited ever game
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bullshite, you only vacate wins if you are forced to forfeit the games.
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The NCAA allows each school to list any record they want.
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Only difference (vacate vs forfeit) is one is agreed to and the other is challenged. USC agreed to vacate the two games in 2004 and 12 in 2005 while Alabama refused to vacate those game so the NCAA listed them as forfeits. All are just semantics, but are equal.
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Forfeited games are not credited as wins for the other team. Those scores stay the same for the other team. Just how the NCAA does business.
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Vacated means the school agreed to not claim the victory, forfeited means the NCAA took the wins away. Because the schools would not agree to vacate the wins.
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Agreeing is the final agreement between the school and the NCAA and an acknowledgment of wrong doings as part of throwing themselves at the mercy of the NCAA.
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Damn, you are so ignorant on this subject.
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Again, it is pretty much a plea-bargain by the school to vacate wins if they are caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
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The NCAA doesn't care what a teams final record is since they do not award a championship in that sport at that level.
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Come on Junior, the NCAA works totally different. Again, they do not care about any final record in CF Division I games. You can google any website and get an answer you believe, but the NCAA is the final authority on this. The real reason why forfeits are scarce is because the NCAA has promoted cooperation and wants the schools to submit a report with punishment. That is where the schools choose to vacate wins.
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Which is exactly why schools offer up vacated wins vs the NCAA forcing forfeiture.
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Ole miss vacates wins and are not forced to vacate the wins. What don't you understand about that.
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You are the one who looks foolish with your understanding of NCAA procedures and rulings.
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The NCAA caught them and USC not only admitted to the violation but vacated the win. By vacating the win they forfeited the NC and the trophy. To do that is is a loss
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Man you are dense, you argue againt yourself.
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I have said it multiple times on this post. Vacations were acceptable penalties that school did not argue against. The schools do not argue against that penalty because if they did the NCAA would just make them forfeit the games.
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CF is not a sanctioned sport for Division I football
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:18 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Reading through that idiots shite is comical. What a way to divert the thread's topic though!
Just some cliffs from Irons Puppet for those of you who don’t have time to read the last several pages:
He'll spin, deflect, distract, and change topics in every way possible to avoid discussing his own teams shitty recruiting right now.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:25 am to RT1941
8 pages and 11 hours worth!
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:41 am to Tuscaloosa
I applaud your tenacity.
Trying to talk sense to that clown is equivalent to trying to reason with a stump!
Could you imagine living next door to that fool?
Trying to talk sense to that clown is equivalent to trying to reason with a stump!
Could you imagine living next door to that fool?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:16 am to Tuscaloosa
Cliff notes from T-town:
"Fellow Cult members, please support me on this. The NCAA proved USC cheated and stripped them of any chance that the BCS would claim them as champions, but they are still an UNDEFEATED college football team who should claim it so we do not have to acknowledge Auburn. Please support me with upvotes and positive comments so other fanbases will thank I am correct."
What a fricking moron and all those who try an agree with his post. I just shows how they work. Lol.
"Fellow Cult members, please support me on this. The NCAA proved USC cheated and stripped them of any chance that the BCS would claim them as champions, but they are still an UNDEFEATED college football team who should claim it so we do not have to acknowledge Auburn. Please support me with upvotes and positive comments so other fanbases will thank I am correct."
What a fricking moron and all those who try an agree with his post. I just shows how they work. Lol.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:21 am to coachcrisp
Airbnb, race isn't an issue on this subject so I never expected you to make a comment. I am surprised T-town didn't solicit your support by claiming the NCAA vacated Reggie Bush so USC was the only undefeated all white team and deserved the NC. You would have jumped on that.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:23 am to RT1941
The Cult amazes me. Like someone posted , throw shite out there and the Cult will support each other even when they don't believe half the shite posted.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:25 am to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
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throw shite out there
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they don't believe half the shite posted.
Checks out
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:29 am to Tuscaloosa
Waiting on your remarks to this:
On June 10, 2010, USC was forced to vacate two wins from the 2004 season, and all wins from the 2005 season, after an NCAA investigation into the football program (and men's basketball program) declared Bush retroactively ineligible. Additional sanctions included a bowl ban in 2010 and 2011, and the loss of 30 football scholarships (10 per year in 2010, 2011, and 2012).[15] All official NCAA records show the Trojans as having a 0–0 record during the 2005 season, including the loss to Texas in the National Championship being vacated.[3]
On June 10, 2010, USC was forced to vacate two wins from the 2004 season, and all wins from the 2005 season, after an NCAA investigation into the football program (and men's basketball program) declared Bush retroactively ineligible. Additional sanctions included a bowl ban in 2010 and 2011, and the loss of 30 football scholarships (10 per year in 2010, 2011, and 2012).[15] All official NCAA records show the Trojans as having a 0–0 record during the 2005 season, including the loss to Texas in the National Championship being vacated.[3]
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:31 am to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:34 am to Irons Puppet
Absolutely epic thread
It kills Tusc knowing you are a real pilot and he is a fake one that flies a rinky-dink Cessna.
It kills Tusc knowing you are a real pilot and he is a fake one that flies a rinky-dink Cessna.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:37 am to WilliamTaylor21
The best part of this post is the support he gets from his fellow Cult members. I really believe they think he is FOS, but have a duty to support him. Look at all of them. LOL
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:37 am to Irons Puppet
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Waiting on you remarks to this:
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:39 am to Irons Puppet
Ever wonder why your fellow Auburn fans never support anything you say?
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