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re: The 25 scholarship limit
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:37 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:37 pm to RollTide1987
If they would just get rid of the limit altogether UA could give everyone a 4 year ride. I can't believe the NCAA gets away with limiting opportunity like that, it should be illegal.
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:38 pm to Alahunter
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It was created, by the staff doing it's job. There would be all kinds of complaining if he hadn't continued recruiting players, and then one or two that were committed signed with other schools. Everyone needs to get their panties out of a wad and grow up
Except that you are overlooking the fact that this situation was created by the Bama staff offering unconditional offers to DL prospects that, if accepted would require Philon to greyshirt. Bama had two DL prospects, they could have conditioned the offer to only the first one to accept. They accepted both offers and forced Philon, who had been committed since Sept, to delay his admission. That fact cannot be ignored. Bama clearly chose to accept both Tomlinson and Kirven to the exclusion of Philon.
P.S. Kirven had an ankle injury that was also surgically repaired. It is arguable that his injury may require a longer rehab than Philon.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:39 pm to attheua
Totally agree. If there's going to be a limit, 100 is a good number. The NCAA stands in the way of kids going to colleges, not the individual schools.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:39 pm to attheua
Or, you could just recruit to your 85 limit
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:42 pm to Alahunter
quote:So why give other schools ammunition? Saban already has a reputation as a dick, this won't help matters.
Anything can be used to make the school look bad.
quote:So what happened to him is okay because life is tough?
Life will hand you alot of disappointments, he got his first big one. Now it's up to him to pull himself up and move one and do something to better himself.
quote:Nobody is crying, we're just acknowledging that this was a shitty situation that didn't need to happen.
This crying by everyone, because someone was disappointed is ridiculous.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:46 pm to jddawg58
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Except that you are overlooking the fact that this situation was created by the Bama staff offering unconditional offers to DL prospects that, if accepted would require Philon to greyshirt. Bama had two DL prospects, they could have conditioned the offer to only the first one to accept
And you could step out of your utopia and realize what I said earlier. That if one or two decommitted and Bama was left undersigned, there would be the gnashing of teeth and whining that he didn't do his job and get the best players signed. Then there'd be, he had to settle for (you name it) 3 star just to fill out the class. Blah blah blah.
Facts of the matter is this. The NCAA and University President's have seen fit to tie the hands of coaches, and went against their advice and reduced scholarships. This puts more pressure on every coach to sign the best they can. This in turn, will leave some borderline players to fend for themselves at late dates as they are used to stop gap until final signings are in.
Is it ideal? No. Is it fair? No. But neither is life and they'll grow up and adjust, just like every other person in the world. I swear, yall act like these are newborns that will never be able to survive because they had to get a free education somewhere else.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:47 pm to Zed
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So why give other schools ammunition? Saban already has a reputation as a dick, this won't help matters
Agree 100%
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So what happened to him is okay because life is tough?
Agree, again...
Sucks that it happened to him. Messed up his chances to play at both Auburn and Alabama, and he was visibly upset about it. He was crying in the hallways before/after the announcement from what I've read.
I don't care if he did burn us for Bama, this shouldn't happen to any kid. Especially one that committed to Bama so early in the process.
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Nobody is crying, we're just acknowledging that this was a shitty situation that didn't need to happen.
Agree 100%
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:48 pm to Alahunter
So then, a question...Since Bear Bryant preached class and honor, do you think the Bear would have honored the scholly to Philon?
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:49 pm to Zed
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So why give other schools ammunition? Saban already has a reputation as a dick, this won't help matters.
So what. Has if affected his ability to produce at his job? Because that's what this is about. Him doing his job to the best of his ability. I appreciate his hard work and it isn't always pretty being the best.
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So what happened to him is okay because life is tough?
I see a Bulldog future in your horizon.
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Nobody is crying, we're just acknowledging that this was a shitty situation that didn't need to happen.
I think everyone has acknowledged that. Yall continue to keep on like Saban is the devil for doing his job and whining that he was in the wrong for doing his job. Cry about the NCAA and the University President's creating this situation if you want to cry about it.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:50 pm to Alahunter
Hunter,
How many actual schollies does bama have to give?
85 - seniors and juniors+ ? carter?
How many actual schollies does bama have to give?
85 - seniors and juniors+ ? carter?
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:50 pm to Outside looking in
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Outside looking in
Any answer I give would be pure speculation. Since Chizik is such a Godly man, do you think his 43% attrition is in line with promoting the "family" atmosphere he's always preaching?
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:51 pm to NYCAuburn
They have full scholarship levels now if I'm not mistaken.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:51 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Or, you could just recruit to your 85 limit
I realize that, I just think NCAA and the multi-billion dollar CFB industry should be about getting more athletes into college, instead of limiting them.
All you bleeding hearts want to cry for the 1 or 2 kids that had an unexpected greyshirt offered are missing the bigger picture- the hundreds of kids that could be getting free rides at FBS universities if the NCAA would just allow it. The way to end oversigning is not to lower the limit, but to raise it enough where coaches don't even have to worry about it.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:52 pm to TTsTowel
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Sucks that it happened to him. Messed up his chances to play at both Auburn and Alabama, and he was visibly upset about it
Why didn't Chiz reoffer him with the other schools yesterday? He had plenty of room.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:52 pm to Outside looking in
I just don't understand Saban's deal. He's a great coach. It's shown since he's been in the college game.
However, he preaches that commits need to be solid and not visit other places. Yet, when he gets a certain commit and the class becomes full later in the year, he'll tell that recruit to grayshirt or find another college so he can get a better recruit. It would've sucked for Philon had Arky been full. He would've been up shite creek with a roll of toilet paper because Auburn wasn't offering anymore, either.
However, he preaches that commits need to be solid and not visit other places. Yet, when he gets a certain commit and the class becomes full later in the year, he'll tell that recruit to grayshirt or find another college so he can get a better recruit. It would've sucked for Philon had Arky been full. He would've been up shite creek with a roll of toilet paper because Auburn wasn't offering anymore, either.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:52 pm to Alahunter
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Why didn't Chiz reoffer him with the other schools yesterday?
lulz
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:53 pm to attheua
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The way to end oversigning is not to lower the limit, but to raise it enough where coaches don't even have to worry about it
ding ding.
But then you'd have the havenots whining that the field isn't even and it's not fair.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:53 pm to Alahunter
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Any answer I give would be pure speculation. Since Chizik is such a Godly man, do you think his 43% attrition is in line with promoting the "family" atmosphere he's always preaching?
Chizik hasn't processed anyone because they needed the roster spot for someone he thought was a better player. Those that have left or been asked to leave have been due to their own actions that didn't coincide with the family atmosphere.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:55 pm to Alahunter
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Why didn't Chiz reoffer him with the other schools yesterday? He had plenty of room.
Because Philon had obviously already burned his bridge to come to Auburn. Chizik didn't want him anymore. That's a frick load different from telling a recruit to find another college or grayshirt so late in the process.
We moved on from the guy. He made a choice to leave Auburn for Bama, but Saban made the choice FOR HIM to leave Bama.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:55 pm to Outside looking in
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Those that have left or been asked to leave have been due to their own actions that didn't coincide with the family atmosphere.
So he turns his back on them instead of mentors them. Quick to shun and long to forgive. Got it. Unless of course, they're contributors like Eric Smith. Then plead guilty to crimes and miss a Fla Atl game and back on the team. It's funny, the ones forced out were mainly noncontributors.
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