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re: Texas A&M/Missouri to the SEC decision could happen soon
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:21 am to busey
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:21 am to busey
quote:we don't have ga tech so, no, it's not.
ATL is already locked up and it's not even close
quote:that doesn't equate to ga tech not existing
UGA and AU have by far the majority of fans there
quote:so 80% is the cut off point? assuming you're correct in your demographics speculation
Fans of SEC schools probably take up 80% of the market there, leaving 20% for GT.
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Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:24 am to Damn Good Dawg
quote:which means there's still more to grab, right?
The SEC already dominates GA markets
quote:so we shouldn't add anyone, not that we just shouldn't add ga tech
You're adding very little and basically watering down and diluting the SEC schools payouts
quote:they can't possibly be significantly worse than ole miss or vandy. put them in the sec and i'm willing to bet that attendance would perk up, particularly when the heavyweights are in town
GT is so pathetic UGA fans buy GT season tickets just for UGA @ GT.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:28 am to Pineville41
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Pineville41
You wouldn't happen to know any Blankenships in Pineville? Ron Blankenship in particular?
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:32 am to bfniii
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which means there's still more to grab, right?
You can't be serious. GaTech would add less than they take in.
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so we shouldn't add anyone, not that we just shouldn't add ga tech
A school like aTm adds a lot more than they would take in.
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they can't possibly be significantly worse than ole miss or vandy.
This is a moot point. We have the Mississippi schools and Vandy and we are stuck with them. It is poor judgment to let in another shite school with the logic being "well we already have these other shite schools so why not more?"
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:32 am to bfniii
ga tech (20k) is about the same size as ark (21k), state (19k), ole miss (19k) and bigger than vandy (12k) so it's not like they're rice (5700) or smu (12k). the opposition to them seems to be more emotional than objective
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:33 am to Pineville41
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I saw more confederate battle flags in Missouri than in Mississippi in a recent road trip.
What part of Missouri were you traveling in?
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:39 am to bfniii
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ga tech (20k) is about the same size as ark (21k), state (19k), ole miss (19k) and bigger than vandy (12k) so it's not like they're rice (5700) or smu (12k). the opposition to them seems to be more emotional than objective
Again, just because other schools in our conference do not add a lot does not mean we should add more schools who ask for more than they can give.
And as for academics, ESPN and CBS do not give a frick about how prestigious the university is. They care about how many fans do they have and how much football do they watch.
This post was edited on 8/2/11 at 11:41 am
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:43 am to Monticello
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A school like aTm adds a lot more than they would take in.
The problem with aTm is their inclusion will likely cause the SEC to invite schools that bring very little to the table. Due to state politics, the SEC might have to invite a school like Texas Tech that brings NOTHING to the table except an okay football program. Most of the schools that have been mentioned with Texas A&M are either unattainable or won't help the SEC very much.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:47 am to Monticello
quote:assuming you're right, who would add more than they take in? maybe a&m? how many bcs games have they made since '98? i think a&m would bring alot to the table but i haven't seen a good reason to dismiss ga tech.
GaTech would add less than they take in.
quote:that wasn't my point. my point was they add to the conference in several ways.
It is poor judgment to let in another shite school with the logic being "well we already have these other shite schools so why not more?"
Posted on 8/2/11 at 11:49 am to Monticello
quote:i was listing things they add to the conference. acadmics are reported on and do make a difference.
And as for academics, ESPN and CBS do not give a frick about how prestigious the university is. They care about how many fans do they have and how much football do they watch.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 12:10 pm to bfniii
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how many bcs games have they made since '98?
You have not kept up. Modern expansion has nothing to do with wins or academic rankings. It has everything to do with how big the fan base is and how many NEW tv viewers they bring to the conference.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 12:16 pm to bfniii
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i was listing things they add to the conference. acadmics are reported on and do make a difference.
Slive:"Hi CBS. This is Mike Slive. We expanded the conference and added GaTech and want more money now."
CBS: "That's cool but we don't really care because the Atlanta market is already dominated by existing SEC teams already covered by the current contract."
Slive: "But they are such a great engineering school and geographically fit in the conference and used to be in the SEC."
CBS: "Nice talking to you Mike. Let me know if you add the Houston, Dallas, San Antoinio, St Louis, Kansas City, or Virginia market and we will talk again."
Posted on 8/2/11 at 12:19 pm to bfniii
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ga tech does not add "nothing".
They'd have a top 2 or 3 baseball program in the conference, a solid football team/following that would drastically improve with their inclusion into the SEC (it'd really energize their alum base), and a solid basketball program (with the long term potential to be as good as Kentucky/Florida given their location) all in downtown Atlanta.
Yes.
Clearly Tech would bring nothing to the SEC and Missouri would be a better choice.
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atl is a huge, huge city and just because we "have" georgia doesn't mean we "have" atl. adding ga tech could add ALOT to the sec.
Adding Tech would all but run the ACC out of Atlanta.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 12:28 pm to smelvis
BenchMcElroy,
Texas Tech is not an option for the SEC, ever.
A&M would do the SEC a favor and stay away before we became responsible for tracking that dog turd of a school onto the carpet.
Texas Tech is not an option for the SEC, ever.
A&M would do the SEC a favor and stay away before we became responsible for tracking that dog turd of a school onto the carpet.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:02 pm to Monticello
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Slive:"Hi CBS. This is Mike Slive. We expanded the conference and added GaTech and want more money now."
CBS: "That's cool but we don't really care because the Atlanta market is already dominated by existing SEC teams already covered by the current contract."
Slive: "But they are such a great engineering school and geographically fit in the conference and used to be in the SEC."
CBS: "Nice talking to you Mike. Let me know if you add the Houston, Dallas, San Antoinio, St Louis, Kansas City, or Virginia market and we will talk again."
Spot on, plus maybe the Charlotte/NC market. It is about tv ratings/$hare and being proactive regarding the inevitability of 16 team conferences. Let's choose who we want instead of taking scraps.
Fla St, Clemson, Ga Tech and Miami or NC State would be the best fits 50 years ago, today it is about conference tv contracts in the form of annual $$ payout per member institution.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:12 pm to SwatMitchell
1. texas a&m
2. florida state
3. clemson
4. virginia tech
5. west virginia?
2. florida state
3. clemson
4. virginia tech
5. west virginia?
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:22 pm to chalmetteowl
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2. florida state
No way UF, AU, Bama, or UGA would support adding FSU. All 4 schools recruit the Florida Panhandle and South Georgia heavily and the biggest selling point is that they can play SEC football instead of ACC.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:32 pm to JPLSU1981
Vandy will never be kicked out of the conference. And Unc will never join the conference.
We can end all that debate.
We can end all that debate.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:33 pm to Monticello
And what do you think Arkansas and LSU's problem is with adding Texas A&M? Quite frankly, the money advantage is going to win out on this one. FSU is on the rise and if they're willing, you take them. Hell, when FSU was in it's prime I watched them on TV and literally had no freaking ties to them whatsoever. FSU is still a merchandising giant and Jimbo is quickly going to have that program soaring. The SEC would be retarded to not add them if given the chance.
Posted on 8/2/11 at 1:39 pm to Monticello
quote:that's not what i was referring to. i was referring to $$$$. bcs games are big time dough
Modern expansion has nothing to do with wins or academic rankings
quote:and since ga tech is about the same size as several schools already in the conference? that certainly would count for a signficant number of new viewers. otherwise, let's stop all the piddly crap and talk about usc, tex, okla, wash, boston college, miami, etc
It has everything to do with how big the fan base is and how many NEW tv viewers they bring to the conference.
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