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re: Team of Destiny?

Posted on 10/13/11 at 12:54 am to
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
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Posted on 10/13/11 at 12:54 am to
The BCS left out #1 USC in 03. USC was number #1 in the coaches and AP poll, but the BCS let in OU who did not even win the Big XII.

BCS is no more legit than any other previous system.

that 07 BSC championship team is no more impressive than any other 2 loss team championship team.

LSU always seams to dodge playing the best team. Dodged USC in which would have been a beat down.

IN 07 dodged UGA due to ridiculous tie breakers and got to play a UT team that had been blown out 3 times that year in ATL.
Posted by roscoe mike
Member since Nov 2009
1594 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:00 am to
No need to worry. We ain't dodging anyone this year. Are we?
Posted by Summer of George
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
5995 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:02 am to
If we're going this route?

Katrina > April 27th

so it's LSU
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:15 am to
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fourteenth national title

Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:16 am to
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Dodged USC in which would have been a beat down.

Give me a fricking break.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6329 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:35 am to
Those Carroll teams owned everybody OOC LSU would not have been any different.

LSU has had a lot of breaks go there way in winning there crystals.

No other team in the entire country could Lose to UK and Arky the last regular game of the season and still play in the championshp. LSU should never claim any other team ever getting unfair treatment.

Richt has had two seasons as good or better than Miles best, but LSU gets special treament and got to play in the BCS game.

Hell AU went undefeated and was denied the chance to play. While LSU goes 6-2 in SEC play with losses to Kentucky and Arkansas on the last day of the regular season. Also got to play OSU who did not belong. While Bama and AU win championships undefeated, against other undefeated teams.
This post was edited on 10/13/11 at 1:49 am
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25679 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:38 am to
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LSU has a claims has a two loss championship


I love when people regurgitate this in an attempt to belittle the title. Name any other deserving team that year. It was a crazy year. Makes LSU's no less "valid."

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Split title with USC


LSU didn't split the BCS title. It's not any slight to LSU that USC didn't get in in '03 then the AP pitched a hissy and bucked the system. Blame the system, not the school.

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You lost to UK and Arky and were given a championship. You dodged USC eventhough they were #1 in both polls in 03 also.


Big deal. We got in under the rules and the system all schools approved of both years. I guess in your not so humble opinion no one should have played for the title on 07 because EVERYONE had 2+ losses. That's what I call parity.


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LSU has no right to dispute championships with bama.


If LSU claimed them like Bama, we'd have 8. Guess our program has integrity.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25679 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:43 am to
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Those Carroll teams owned everybody OOC LSU would not have been any different.


You can't say that with any degree of certainty OUTSIDE of just spouting bullshite.

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LSU has had a lot of breaks go there way in winning there crystals.


This isn't unique to LSU. ALL teams catch a fair amount of breaks.

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Richt has had two seasons as good or better than Miles best, but LSU gets special treament and got to play in the BCS game.


Mmmkay, that's why Richt has been WILDLY unsuccessful against florida who has kept UGA out of East contention a lot. Miles and LSU has fared more than well against Richt AND UF the last decade.

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While LSU goes 6-2 in SEC play with losses to Kentucky and Arkansas on the last day of the regular season.


You are being completely myopic. Transitive property does not apply across years. As previously stated, 07 was an ugly year. LSU came out on top. When AU went undefeated there were other teams with equal (or better) resumes. You are (either intentionally or unintentionally) making it sound like a 2 loss LSU team got in over an undefeated, which is idiotic.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6329 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:46 am to
No you wouldn't have 8 stop frickin lyin.

LSU has no rose Bowl National championships. NON Bama has 4

LSU has 3 AP or Coaches POLL titles. Bama has 8

WTH are you talking bout.

Most Bama fans hate the 2 loss 1941 title while LSU fans celebrate the 2 lost 2007 title.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:53 am to
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Those Carroll teams owned everybody OOC LSU would not have been any different.

They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl. They only won by 14, but they pretty much dominated the game. John Navarre was the slowest fricking quarterback I've ever seen. However, that was the same Michigan who lost to 5-loss Oregon that season.

2003 USC wasn't nearly as good as 2004 or 2005 USC. People seem to forget that.

LSU's defense was still really, really good in 2003. Definitely the best in college football that season. To say that USC would have walked all over LSU that season is just plain stupid. USC's lowest point totals that season were the 3 games where they didn't play a Pac 10 team or Notre Dame. So basically, when they weren't playing God awful Pac 10 defenses, they weren't so high and mighty. Auburn held them to 23 points. LSU's defense was a good bit better than Auburn's.

The SEC has dominated in big games over the past 10 years. What makes you think 2003 would have been the exact opposite? Once again, this isn't the 2004 or 2005 USC team we are talking about.
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but LSU gets special treament and got to play in the BCS game.

Special treatment? Give me a break. LSU got in over Georgia in 2007 because LSU won the conference and they didn't. LSU got in over USC in 2007 because they played a harder schedule. Simple as that. Don't forget about USC's two losses to 4-loss Oregon and 8-loss Stanford. At least Kentucky and Arkansas made bowl games that season.
This post was edited on 10/13/11 at 1:57 am
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25679 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:56 am to
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No you wouldn't have 8 stop frickin lyin.

Sure would, but I'm not lying (nor is LSU) bc I'm not claiming them. I claim 3.
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LSU has no rose Bowl National championships. NON Bama has 4

LSU has 3 AP or Coaches POLL titles. Bama has 8

WTH are you talking bout.

Hey ignant, focus. I'm not debating LSU's historical pedigree vs. Bama's. Reading comprehension is your friend.

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Most Bama fans hate the 2 loss 1941 title while LSU fans celebrate the 2 lost 2007 title.

Can't speak for Bama fans, but LSU celebrates that season because when the dust settled and everyone else failed, Les hoisted that crystal ball after humiliating tOSU.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:56 am to
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Most Bama fans hate the 2 loss 1941 title while LSU fans celebrate the 2 lost 2007 title.

Because Bama finished the season ranked #20 in the final AP poll in 1941. On the other hand, LSU finished the season as SEC champions and #1 in the AP poll in 2007.

You are a moron.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25679 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 1:59 am to
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Those Carroll teams owned everybody OOC LSU would not have been any different.



You just love talking out of your arse don't ya?

Defense wins championships. The results would have been the same.

2003:

LSU D 259yds/g 10.8 pts/g
O 427yds/g 35.0 pts/g

USC D 338yds/g 18.8 pts/g
O 451yds/g 42.0 pts/g
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6329 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 2:16 am to
It was stated that if LSU counted titles like Bama they would have 8. I just proved they wouldn't.

LSU props up these BCS titles as if the BCS is the the greatest way ever invented to crown a champion.

BCS will fade just like every other previous way of claiming a champion and you can defend you 03 and 07 championships when they don't apply to the new system.

Championships are all debatable because all schedules are not created equal and there is no play off.

If its not an undefeated, untied, bowl championship then it pretty much not valid IMO.

LSU has 1 of those in 58 while Bama has 8. As recently as 2009.

I value AU's 2004 season over any of UF's 3 championships and LSU's two recent ones.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25679 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 2:20 am to
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I value AU's 2004 season over any of UF's 3 championships and LSU's two recent ones.


Lost all credibility.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6329 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 2:27 am to
Bama was 20 in the AP poll, but USC was #1 in the AP poll in 03 and the coaches poll before the Bowl games. The only reason the coaches changed their vote is because they are contractually obligated to vote the winner of the BSCCG #1.

I doubt they were impressed by the 7 pt home win for LSU over an OU team that was just blown out in their previous game.

Any way you wanna dissect this an argument can be made for either side.

Only undefeated, untied, bowl championships teams really matter.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6329 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 2:32 am to
How so? Is undefeated not greater than once defeated or twice defeated like the 41 Bama team or 07 LSU team.

Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 2:34 am to
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Bama was 20 in the AP poll, but USC was #1 in the AP poll in 03 and the coaches poll before the Bowl games. The only reason the coaches changed their vote is because they are contractually obligated to vote the winner of the BSCCG #1.

I doubt they were impressed by the 7 pt home win for LSU over an OU team that was just blown out in their previous game.

All of this being true, there's still a huge difference between #2 and #20.
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Only undefeated, untied, bowl championships teams really matter.

Well then I guess no one in 2003 was a deserving national champion? That seems sort of silly to me.
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6329 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 2:50 am to
I was making an apples to apples comparison between the 41 Bama team and any LSU team.

I was just simply saying an argument can easily be made against LSU' two titles.

Bama has a lot of debatable titles.

They only one's I place any real value are the that are undefeated and untied.

A perfect season cannot be disputed.

Bama was awarded a title with one loss eventhough the team they lost to finished with the same record. It was USC also.

That team is below 3 of the rosebowl championship teams, the 1992 team, and 09 team. Even the 66 team is held in higher regard IMO the were not awarded a championship at all.

Eventhough Bama was 2 time defending national champion and started the season as preseason #1. They never lost and were not awarded a trophy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
268678 posts
Posted on 10/13/11 at 4:34 am to
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Which is the real team of destiny this year?


Ask me Nov. 6th.
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