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($)tAthletic: Sabes and Jimbo were “always at each other’s throats” during LSU days

Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:16 am
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155653 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:16 am
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“There was (friction) all the time,” said one staffer who worked with both coaches at LSU. “Will (Muschamp) and Kirby (Smart) and all the defensive guys all bowed down to Nick, but Nick depended on Jimbo a lot. But Nick is so hard on his (offensive coordinators). They were always at each other’s throats.”


This has gotta be Doolander

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“Oh, it ain’t like Nick and Kirby,” one former LSU position coach said. “There is no love lost between Nick and Jimbo — at all.”


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Every Saturday morning, whether they were in Baton Rouge or Florida or a high school parking lot about to meet a recruit, Saban had a mandatory recruiting meeting for his assistants. He would bring the old speakerphone from his office, place it in the center of the table, and anybody not in attendance would call in. “That drove Jimbo crazy,” a high-ranking former LSU staff member said.


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Saban wanted to hire Fisher from Cincinnati, where the 34-year-old was the offensive coordinator in 1999, even before he met him. Starting in 2000 at LSU, that partnership became an undeniable success, with Fisher helping develop Josh Booty, Rohan Davey, Matt Mauck and JaMarcus Russell at quarterback while Saban’s defenses stole the show.


No love for Craig Nall and Matt Flynn?

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The tension between the two stemmed from Fisher’s belief that Saban’s philosophy limited his offense. Saban is also a notoriously demanding boss. Mauck — the quarterback on LSU’s 2003 national championship team — recalled many practices where Fisher would run out to the field disheveled. Mauck would ask what was wrong, and Fisher would say Saban spent all day scripting the practice and then gave Fisher 10 minutes to script 80 plays. “Sometimes Jimbo didn’t know his place and would get upset about how practice was organized,” a former staffer said. Former LSU linebackers coach Mike Collins laughs remembering how Fisher had to give the offensive script to Saban and then the defense got to run the entire series knowing the offense’s script.


Disheveled Jimbo and Saban being a complete prick is so on brand lmao

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That’s where the competition came in. Whenever it would be offense versus defense, Fisher did everything in his power to win. He’d draw up trick plays or adjust outside of the purpose of the drill. “Jimbo would try to pencil-whip Nick to win the drill,” a staffer said. “And Nick would say, ‘That’s not what it’s about. We’re trying to get better getting ready for an opponent. That’s not how they’re gonna do it in a game.’”


If you watch the end of the LSU/Oklahoma natty game you can see Saban shout “Godammit Jimbo!” Into tHeadset when he called some goofy arse qb run while we were trying to run out the clock.

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But many of the same people pointing out Fisher’s flaws in those years are the first to say they love him. He’s a polarizing person in the profession, one who some call a “phony” and who others call one of the “highest-character people” in the business. “He was fun to be around and once you got out of the building you wanted to have some fun because Nick made it so miserable there back then,” said a former staff member. “It just wore on everybody.”


As a former student of this era i can definitely say the fellow students and people i knew who worked in football ops were a heck of a lot happier when Les came in. I also saw a few of the Saban/Jimbo/Kirby basketball games around 2004 and they were competitive as shite

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The shock from Thursday exists from both sides. Some were frustrated with Saban. “Glass houses,” one coach said. “Don’t throw rocks.” Another said: “C’mon guys. It’s like the mafia. Don’t go out there and talk about it. And he was wrong for making those broad-stroke accusations.” Mauck said, “It seemed like a low blow, in my opinion.”

Others were annoyed by Fisher’s emotional rebuttal. “It’s just Jimbo being Jimbo,” a former coach said. Another said: “It was all so predictable. He just couldn’t let it go and think like, ‘Ha ha, screw him. I got his arse.’ As funny as it was to America, it was childish.” “They were acting like two 12-year-olds,” one person with knowledge of both coaches summarized.


I agree with the last sentence

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Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16051 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:20 am to
So it’s what everyone already knew. Nick is a prick and jimbo is a bitch. Both are good football coaches though
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:26 am to
off topic but is an Athletic sub worth it?

Do yall have one?
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155653 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:29 am to
I only really use mine for soccer

In terms of LSU it’s not too necessary with the amount of free local coverage
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30242 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:32 am to
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“They were acting like two 12-year-olds,” one person with knowledge of both coaches summarized.
I have limited knowledge of both coaches and they both look like pre-pubescent boys throwing barbs at each other. Very unprofessional for both of them IMO.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26964 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:36 am to
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That’s where the competition came in. Whenever it would be offense versus defense, Fisher did everything in his power to win. He’d draw up trick plays or adjust outside of the purpose of the drill. “Jimbo would try to pencil-whip Nick to win the drill,” a staffer said. “And Nick would say, ‘That’s not what it’s about. We’re trying to get better getting ready for an opponent. That’s not how they’re gonna do it in a game.’


"Whenever it would be offense versus defense"??? I'm not buying that at all. The scout team would have been running the offense in the situation he described, not Jimbo's first team offense.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 11:40 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40010 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:15 pm to
It's worth it. Especially during football season.
Posted by BROpaneTANK
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2010
2851 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:20 pm to
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So it’s what everyone already knew. Nick is a prick and jimbo is a bitch. Both are good football coaches though


Kinda unfair to lump them into the same sentence with the single adjective “good”.
Posted by BigRaggedyTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
517 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:21 pm to
Yeah,

One is just a LOT more successful than the other
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52740 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:29 pm to
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The tension between the two stemmed from Fisher’s belief that Saban’s philosophy limited his offense. 


What's his excuse these days?
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21951 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:39 pm to
Another contributing factor could be that Saban tried to steal several of the A&M players on campus over the last few months

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Something about glass houses, which Nick Saban should consider since the Tide actively tried to poach at least one — if not two — prominent current A&M players during the offseason.

Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38378 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:51 pm to
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He would bring the old speakerphone from his office, place it in the center of the table, and anybody not in attendance would call in. “That drove Jimbo crazy,” a high-ranking former LSU staff member said.


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recalled many practices where Fisher would run out to the field disheveled. Mauck would ask what was wrong, and Fisher would say Saban spent all day scripting the practice and then gave Fisher 10 minutes to script 80 plays. “Sometimes Jimbo didn’t know his place and would get upset about how practice was organized,”


High achievers don’t like ordinary people and ordinary people don’t like high achievers. It’s not a secret. It’s well known Nick is hard to work for, he’s wired differently and demands his coaches match his work ethic. Jimbo is notoriously unorganized. It’s another reason this is eating at Saban’s craw, he knows Jimbo and knows that Jimbo isn’t outworking him.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16051 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:13 pm to
Both have won national championships and understand the game at a high level. Saban has proven to be the GOAT recruiter, player developer and program manager
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
2720 Arse Whipping Avenue
Member since Dec 2013
35930 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:15 pm to
Jimbo’s players are always at his wife’s throat
Posted by Kline777
Atlanta GA
Member since Dec 2018
469 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:40 pm to
How stupid! Jimbo is lazy as corndog on moonshine distribution day huh?
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2516 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:09 pm to
We all knew Saban sucks to work for. That's nothing new.

Here is the most interesting part of the article:
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Saban is a man built on process and details. And some of those didn’t sit quite right with Fisher. “Jimbo complained about everything Nick wanted to do,” said one staffer.

“Jimbo would complain about things Nick would say or do and always talk about the Bowdens,” another staffer said. “Jimbo was big on the Bowdens, and he just couldn’t stand what Nick was trying to do.”

Fisher played and coached under Terry Bowden at Samford and later followed him to Auburn. 




So Jimbo hates being detail oriented, loves to complain, and idolized Terry Bowden as his coaching mentor. This explains a lot as to why Jimbo has yet to produce a consistent winner as head coach. Just like Terry Bowden at Auburn, Jimbo's whole career has been a short-lived high and a lot of average.

Read this excellent ESPN article about the downfall of FSU football and it reflects the above quote about the lack of detail in Jimbo's program and his incessant whining to administrators. Stories of players faking injuries to avoid practice, an overall collapse of discipline,etc.

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This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
12578 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:16 pm to
So, one turned out to be a legend and the other turned out to be Jimbo.
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