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re: Targeting rule good or bad...
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:46 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:46 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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I’ve seen a few calls where the tackling player was going for an otherwise clean tackle only to be called for targeting because the RB gave him a headbutt at the last second. I’d imaging some coaches are instructing RBs to try to draw targeting calls tbh.
Running backs are not defenseless players and it's very rare that any such targeting calls should be called when tackling such players.
What you are seeing are refs who don't understand the rules.
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:48 pm to UnoMe
It's a bad rule as written because it doesn't take into account that wearing a helmet makes your head and the opponent's head "bigger". Meaning there is an inch+ or so extra sticking out away from your skull that your proprioceptive senses cannot account for. Same inch or so for the other guy. The facemask sticks out further. Your self-movement and sense of body position in space are skewed. Players know right where their hands and feet are because they are not encumbered by a big plastic dome around them.
Add that to the fact that the plays happen in split-second quickness, and you are bound to hit someone in the head in a given game even if you try not to.
I get that some players actually do target an opponent, but so often it gets called the same way on guys who are just trying to make a football play.
Add that to the fact that the plays happen in split-second quickness, and you are bound to hit someone in the head in a given game even if you try not to.
I get that some players actually do target an opponent, but so often it gets called the same way on guys who are just trying to make a football play.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:51 pm to lsufball19
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I see thus more with receivers and QBs lowering their bodies to brace for a hit,
Yeah, because they aren't defenseless players there shouldn't be a penalty on the play.
There are some exceptions, like if the player launched at the side of their helmet with the crown of the head etc. But just contacting them in those cases is not targeting.
It's already in the rules properly for those hits to not be called, but so many times they just ignore the defenseless runner part.
A WR who's going up into the air to catch a ball and hasn't landed is defenseless, but soon as his feet hits the ground and he starts running, he's no longer a defenseless player.
A QB who's standing in the pocket with the ball is a defenseless player, but the moment he takes off on a scramble, he's no longer defenseless.
I wish they would put bigger emphasis on that and many of the bad calls would disappear.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:20 pm to UnoMe
Like others have said, needs to be divided into deliberate vs incidental contact with the latter being 15 yards and that's it.
Very difficult to enforce I know, but I think its better than the shitshow we have now.
Very difficult to enforce I know, but I think its better than the shitshow we have now.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:42 pm to UnoMe
jumping into a qb shoving him in the chest = bad
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:53 pm to UnoMe
The penalty is fine. The ejection part needs to be altered. The officials should decide between targeting with malicious intent and targeting without intent.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:59 pm to UnoMe
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Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.
I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.
Boulware & Foster
Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up
The reason the newer targeting rules are crappy is that the Refs could have simply enforced the "spearing rules" which have been on the books for at least 70 years
Refs for some idiotic reason stopped calling spearing and now we have these new targeting rules that also punish "crown-of-the-shoulder-pad-contact" that is delivered above the waist and to the ball carrier's numbers which had been legal contact and clean football forever, but now since it is violent contact it has been made illegal, not because it is dirty, it has been made illegal due to its effectiveness & violence
I'm confused as to why not just tell the Officials to simply call spearing when the defender leads with the crown of the helmet, instead they have gone too far and are now penalizing defenders leading with the crown of the shoulder pad - which had been "clean FB" since the game was created
Just my opinion
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:24 pm to 3down10
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Yeah, because they aren't defenseless players there shouldn't be a penalty on the play.
There are some exceptions, like if the player launched at the side of their helmet with the crown of the head etc. But just contacting them in those cases is not targeting.
It's already in the rules properly for those hits to not be called, but so many times they just ignore the defenseless runner part.
A WR who's going up into the air to catch a ball and hasn't landed is defenseless, but soon as his feet hits the ground and he starts running, he's no longer a defenseless player.
A QB who's standing in the pocket with the ball is a defenseless player, but the moment he takes off on a scramble, he's no longer defenseless.
I wish they would put bigger emphasis on that and many of the bad calls would disappear
I hate to say it but that attitude above is a part of the bullshyt mentality that has crept into College & NFL football
Football is a combat sport like boxing, in boxing the Ref tells you in the middle of the Ring before every bout, "protect yourself at all times", in football, from the very first moment a player steps on the field his coach teaches him "keep your head on a swivel at all times"
From the time you walk onto a FB Field you are taught that there is no such thing as a "defenseless player, violent contact can come from anywhere & at any time", it part of the situational awareness and instincts for the game that makes FB Players unique from other Athletes
Now by teaching players that the "Ref & the Rulebook" are going to protect you - the game is being changed in ways that aren't good, and they make the game less enjoyable for a fan like me
So a guy that gets the ball stripped from the blindside isn't "defenseless" but a guy that gets wiped out by shoulder to shoulder contact on a crack-back block is " defenseless", IMO that's a bunch of crap
You can't create FB where every guy that is cowardly, or scared of contact that might come from anywhere ,is able to play knowing that the Refs are gonna keep him "safe"
That sense of "impending danger at any moment" made the game more fun and exciting for both Players and the Fans
I admit that I enjoy games less due to all the artificial safety rules, punishing crown of shoulder contact is going to far IMO, all contact initiated by the crown of the shoulder pads should be deemed "clean, hard nosed FB"
You can't remove all the risk from the game
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:24 pm to UnoMe
Mostly good, but there needs to be maybe a higher standard for ejecting players.
If you launch helmet first and you aren't looking than you should deal with the consequences. Thats the point of the rule
but I have seen it happen when an offensive player lowers his head at the last minute and is just as blindly leading with his helmet.
Also little ticky tack ones like White's vs Miss State (which wasn't targeting as he lead with his hand)
If you launch helmet first and you aren't looking than you should deal with the consequences. Thats the point of the rule
but I have seen it happen when an offensive player lowers his head at the last minute and is just as blindly leading with his helmet.
Also little ticky tack ones like White's vs Miss State (which wasn't targeting as he lead with his hand)
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:34 pm to UnoMe
Terrible rule
MFGA - Bring back the violence
MFGA - Bring back the violence
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:43 pm to UnoMe
Targeting is fine but it’s punishment is awful, and it needs to account for offensive player movements such as the wr lowering his own helmet.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:09 pm to UnoMe
Unless there is obvious malicious intent(which there usually isn't). Stop ejecting players. I'm okay with the penalty I guess, but stop ejecting players for one accidental hit in a game when you have 250lb athletes running full speed at each other.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:20 pm to UnoMe
bad, like the worst
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:20 pm to UnoMe
The targeting rule has been a shite-show from the get-geaux.
I understand they NCAA needed to consider it, but they needed to see the damage it was going to cause and realize they were in no position to attempt this. I thought NCAA was run by retarded arse-hats in the Twentieth Century. The current set of shite-for-brains, clowns in charge are making the Boomers' dumb asses look smart and responsible.
How does one organization manage to accumulate so much fricking stupidity? It blows my mind.
I understand they NCAA needed to consider it, but they needed to see the damage it was going to cause and realize they were in no position to attempt this. I thought NCAA was run by retarded arse-hats in the Twentieth Century. The current set of shite-for-brains, clowns in charge are making the Boomers' dumb asses look smart and responsible.
How does one organization manage to accumulate so much fricking stupidity? It blows my mind.
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