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Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:56 am to bamameister
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Do you mean, the NC-winning coach who just clocked Kelly? Yeah, I'll stand on that ledge.
So if you're an athletic director today, you'd hire a guy who just went 5-7 with the 4th most talent in the country (in his 5th year) over a guy who went 10-4 in the first year of a rebuild?
I just want to make sure I fully grasp the full extent of that statement.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:58 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Yes. It's like 3 or 4 posts up.
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Coach Brian Kelly being 1-0 vs Nick Saban and the SEC West has clearly ruffled feathers.
This is not saying Kelly is better than Saban. You’ll need to try harder than that.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:59 am to RB10
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:04 am to DawginSC
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Josh Heupel - Young and fairly successful. As much as it pains me to say it, he's done well despite never having top overall talent, though UT is moving in that direction.
To me, those guys are CLEARLY ahead of Kelly. After that comes a group that is at a similar level to Kelly where you could make an argument either way.
What, in your mind, puts Heupel CLEARLY ahead of Kelly?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:05 am to SidewalkTiger
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So if you're an athletic director today, you'd hire a guy who just went 5-7 with the 4th most talent in the country (in his 5th year) over a guy who went 10-4 in the first year of a rebuild?
I wouldn't pick either.
But if you held a gun to my head, I'd take Fisher with his recruiting prowess for 5 years to leave my team with a slew of talent for the replacement after we fire him over Kelly who's a mediocre recruiter for 5 years before he retires who will have good seasons but win nothing because he doesn't have enough talent.
Ideally I would have had Fisher for 5 seasons prior and THEN be able to slide Kelly in to take that talent and perhaps turn it into a championship or two with his discipline and coaching before he retires. But if I did that I would have had to have made this choice 5 seasons back.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:06 am to SidewalkTiger
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What, in your mind, puts Heupel CLEARLY ahead of Kelly?
He's actually won something.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:06 am to SidewalkTiger
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So if you're an athletic director today, you'd hire a guy who just went 5-7 with the 4th most talent in the country (in his 5th year) over a guy who went 10-4 in the first year of a rebuild?
Kelly has done nothing in college football. He hasn't been better than Les Miles or Orgeron at LSU, much less Jimbo Fisher.
You've invested so much hatred in TAMU that this little point has been lost.
Show me the trophies. He wasn't getting them at ND and nothing has changed in BR. Nothing.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:07 am to DawginSC
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But if you held a gun to my head, I'd take Fisher with his recruiting prowess for 5 years to leave my team with a slew of talent for the replacement after we fire him over Kelly who's a mediocre recruiter
Kelly seems to be recruiting as good or better than Jimbo now that the two have equal resources.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:11 am to bamameister
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Kelly has done nothing in college football. He hasn't been better than Les Miles or Orgeron at LSU, much less Jimbo Fisher.
You've invested so much hatred in TAMU that this little point has been lost.
Show me the trophies. He wasn't getting them at ND and nothing has changed in BR. Nothing.
You seem stuck in the past.
We're talking about today.
It's wild that you'd take a guy who went 5-7 in year 5 with the 4th most talent in the country (including a loss to Appalachian State at home) over a guy who went 10-4 in the first year of a rebuild.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:12 am to Scoob
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That's with the Notre Dame recruits, figuratively one hand tied behind his back.
I think Kelly is a good coach, but I think some on here are downplaying the talent he had at ND.
According to 247, here are the talent levels he had at ND.
2015-8th
2016-10th
2017-10th
2018-10th
2019-14th
2020-8th
2021-12th
Yes, ND talent level did outclass the Oklahoma State talent level pretty much every year. If you take ND's worst year for talent (2019 at 14th in the nation) Oklahoma State was ranked 39th in talent.
I did check to see where ND's talent level nationally was ranked and found where the team ended up being ranked at the end of the season. Most years, they finished right around where the talent level was nationally. Some years it was a little better and some years a little worse, but typically they were close. Only one year (2016) was a huge difference and ND was ranked 10th in talent and finished UNR. Just an anomaly, and nothing really concerning. Most years he finished ranked near where his talent level was.
Again, I think Kelly is a good coach...maybe very good. We'll know more after the coming season and should have a very good idea in 2-3 years. I know LSU fans are anxious to get on with it and prove the doubters wrong, and I get that. Georgia fans felt the same after Kirby came on board and people were doubting him.
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:14 am to bamameister
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Show me the trophies. He wasn't getting them at ND and nothing has changed in BR. Nothing.
Jimbo hasn’t won a division title since 2014.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:16 am to VADawg
isn't kelly like 1-3 vs. Dabo HTH ?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:18 am to NFLSU
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Lol stop it dude.
Alabama was a 20-point favorite.
By Vegas. Yeah. I said media. It would definitely have been an upset, but a lot of the media was predicting an upset. I think most predicted a MUCH closer game, though. I mean a 20 point favorite? The score was 42-14, so it was by a much larger margin than 20.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:18 am to SidewalkTiger
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What, in your mind, puts Heupel CLEARLY ahead of Kelly?
Several key facts (and I hate you for making me enumerate pro-Huepel points).
1 - Heupel has actually won a NY6/BCS level bowl, despite only being a head coach for 5 years. Kelly is 0-5. Heupel is 1-1.
2 - Heupel actually came into a much worse situation in terms of a rebuild at UT than Kelly did at LSU. Even now UT is behind LSU in terms of rebuilding talent. Tennesse was 19th in terms of the talent index last year, LSU was 8th. UT beat LSU head to head despite being inferior in talent. They actually had nearly the same level of talent as South Carolina last season (19 vs 21, SC had 1 more 5-star and same number of 4-stars). It was seen as a huge upset more because of Heupel's coaching raising the perception of UT's level of talent, not them actually having more.
The simple fact is that in 5 years, he's done more than Kelly AND he's much younger than Kelly makes it pretty obvious he clearly ahead of Kelly if you're selecting a coach to run your program doing forward.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:24 am to SidewalkTiger
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Kelly seems to be recruiting as good or better than Jimbo now that the two have equal resources.
In the last two recruiting classes at LSU, Kelly has recruited 6 5-stars and 19 4-stars in total. 40 total recruits.
At A&M in the last 2 classes, Fisher has recruited 17 5-stars and 23 4-stars. 49 total recruits.
I don't think your view of how well they recruit is very accurate.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:25 am to NFLSU
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The title of the article reads : Ranking college football coaches 1-133 for 2023 season
To me this is the key. There is no doubt right now for the 2023 season I would rather have Brian Kelly as my coach over Jimbo Fisher. By that same metric I would rather have Kirby Smart over Nick Saban.
Getting all these coaches in their prime...I think I would still take Brian Kelly, but would take Nick Saban over Kirby Smart. If Kirby Smart continues winning at a high rate this might change.
It is looking more and more like Jimbo Fisher was a flash of a year or two and does not have staying power. Brian Kelly has been consistent as a whole.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:26 am to DawginSC
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Heupel actually came into a much worse situation in terms of a rebuild at UT than Kelly did at LSU.
Disagree, they were actually very similar.
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Even now UT is behind LSU in terms of rebuilding talent. Tennesse was 19th in terms of the talent index last year, LSU was 8th.
I mean you can blame/credit Heupel and Kelly for those numbers.
Both had to basically rebuild their rosters.
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UT beat LSU head to head despite being inferior in talent.
This is true, however Kelly is a year behind Heupel. Heupel only went 7-6 in his rebuilding first year.
I expect LSU to take a similar jump as Tennessee did going from first to second year.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:26 am to SidewalkTiger
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We're talking about today.
I'm talking about Brian Kelly, the man. His record is a large part of why he got hired by LSU.
So far all you have to crow about is what you think he will do differently than he has done in his long career as a head coach. If Brian Kelly doesn't win a NC at LSU, and soon, the Cajuns will be on his Catholic azz before you can say Crawfish Gumbo.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:28 am to bamameister
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So far all you have to crow about is what you think he will do differently than he has done in his long career
Orrrr we can crow about the fact that Brian Kelly has never lost to Nick Saban and has never not won the SEC West while at LSU.
Spending your Friday morning trying to convince people that Brian Kelly isn’t a good coach is a different way to spend your Friday morning.
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