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Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:51 pm to RB10
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:51 pm to RB10
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“Solid” coaches don’t win 11 games a season over 5 years.
Sure they do (even though Kelly hasn't QUITE made that level... his best string is a game shy of that mark).
I view Mark Richt as "solid". Excluding his first and last year he won 9.9 games a season over 13 seasons at UGA, with many of those being in seasons that only had 11 game regular seasons.
He's ahead of Kelly in that he won a couple of conference championships and BCS bowls, but I don't rank him ahead of "solid". I put Kelly in the Mark Richt category. If you want to label that something else you can, but that's semantics.
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:52 pm to DawginSC
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Sure they do (even though Kelly hasn't QUITE made that level... his best string is a game shy of that mark).
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but that's semantics.
It doesn’t get much more clown than this.
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Excluding his first and last year he won 9.9 games a season over 13 seasons at UGA,
I spoke too soon. Good Lord.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:56 pm to RB10
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LSU improved their record and recruiting class from 2021 to 2022.
LSU class in 2021 - #3 (295 total ranking)
LSU in 2022 - #12 (245 total ranking)
ND class in 2021 - #9 (270 total ranking)
ND in 2022 - #7 (275 total ranking)
While you can bring in the record if you want, all of this stemmed from talk about recruiting (specifically that Fisher is better than Kelly at recruiting).
My statement was that I'd like Fisher to be the coach to bring in the talent, then Kelly to come in to coach it if I was stuck with choosing between those two guys.
All of this is in the thread. YOu can read through it if you're confused.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:02 pm to RB10
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I spoke too soon. Good Lord.
So, do you think Brian Kelly is a better coach than Mark Richt was?
I'm curious.
I'd take Richt every time. Better recruiter and better results (2 sec championships, 2-1 record in BCS bowls).
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:03 pm to DawginSC
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LSU class in 2021 - #3 (295 total ranking)
LSU in 2022 - #12 (245 total ranking)
So the classes the 2 years before Kelly’s first class? Yes, those years were not great. What’s your point?
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ND class in 2021 - #9 (270 total ranking)
ND in 2022 - #7 (275 total ranking)
Kelly’s last two classes. Again, what’s your point?
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While you can bring in the record if you want, all of this stemmed from talk about recruiting (specifically that Fisher is better than Kelly at recruiting).
Fishers’ 2023 class was 15th. His 2024 class is 27th. 2021 was 8th.
The only person who’s confused here is you.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:03 pm to DawginSC
quote:Kelly was at Notre Dame for over a decade. They were not in a conference, except for the covid year (ACC).
Nobody doubts that Kelly is solid. What we doubt is that he's better than that. He's won exactly one conference championship game, BCS/NY6 bowl game or playoff game in his career at division 1 schools.
That was in 2006 when his Central Michigan team won the MAC championship game.
Solid coaches will put up good regular season results. Great coaches add some championships or big post-season wins to that. Kelly has yet to show himself to be better than "solid".
So, there's only 1 chance to even get a conference title. He did make the championship game that year, and went 1-1 against Clemson (won regular season, lost championship rematch).
Holding THAT against him, while rewarding, for example, Lincoln Riley for winning a weak Big 12, seems flawed.
Bowl wins- he lost playoff games, but got there. Is it your argument that it's better to win a NY6 game, than to lose a playoff game? If so, I can't say I'd agree.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:03 pm to DawginSC
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So, do you think Brian Kelly is a better coach than Mark Richt was?
Yes.
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I'd take Richt every time. Better recruiter and better results (2 sec championships, 2-1 record in BCS bowls).
Shocker.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:04 pm to DawginSC
To be honest, LSU fans are reminding me a lot of Florida fans in the early Dan Mullen days. A whole lot of belief in the elite level of their coach without much evidence to support it.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:04 pm to DawginSC
I mean, anyone who isn't a casual knows that rankings are flawed.
Because Cincinnati had a better record despite playing a weaker schedule.
It's odd to "punish" BK for not winning a BCS/NY6 bowl at Cincinnati when literally no one ever has before. Only two coaches have ever took them to that level, BK and Luke Fickell.
Only because they were undefeated.
Alabama was something like a 10 point favorite.
Only because they'd beaten that team.
Clemson was also something like a 10 point favorite.
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Against VT in the 2008 Orange Bowl? His team was ranked higher
Because Cincinnati had a better record despite playing a weaker schedule.
It's odd to "punish" BK for not winning a BCS/NY6 bowl at Cincinnati when literally no one ever has before. Only two coaches have ever took them to that level, BK and Luke Fickell.
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Against Bama in 2012? His team was ranked higher.
Only because they were undefeated.
Alabama was something like a 10 point favorite.
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Against Clemson in the ACCCG in 2020? His team was ranked higher.
Only because they'd beaten that team.
Clemson was also something like a 10 point favorite.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:05 pm to RB10
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So, do you think Brian Kelly is a better coach than Mark Richt was?
Yes.
Okay. Enjoy your guy then.
But don't be surprised when you get sub-Mark Richt results.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:06 pm to DawginSC
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DawginSC
What was UGA ranked in 2018 when they lost to LSU by 20…?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:09 pm to DawginSC
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Okay. Enjoy your guy then.
As opposed to what in favor of Richt? Conference titles? Kind of convenient seeing as Kelly coached an independent for a decade, no?
Ironically, in his only two seasons at a P5 program with a conference championship, he’s made the title game in both seasons. Weird for such a mediocre coach.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:16 pm to RB10
The Alabama insecurity has rubbed off on UGA fans.
Now like Alabama fans, UGA fans expect the media to talk about nobody but them and no coaches except their own are any good
Now like Alabama fans, UGA fans expect the media to talk about nobody but them and no coaches except their own are any good
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:16 pm to Scoob
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But I don't know how he does at a place where things need a true rebuild.
Just my opinion, I think he still does well. He has shown he can recruit across all position groups. That said, the Georgia administration was ready to move forward and gave him a lot of support. If he ended up somewhere where he had to fight for every dollar and fight against administrators and boosters? Who knows. It's all speculation and a guess on my part.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:24 pm to RB10
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As opposed to what in favor of Richt?
Wins in big games (defined as BCS/NY6/CCG/playoff)
Richt has 4 such wins.
Kelly has 1 (at CMU).
Richt is 4-7 in those games.
Kelly is 1-7.
Top 10 finishes.
Richt has 8 in 18 seasons.
Kelly has 5 in 20 at the division 1 level.
Fewest vacated seasons for cheating.
Kelly has two vacated seasons for cheating.
Richt has zero.
Fewest seasons with his team finishing unranked.
Kelly has had 8 unranked finishes in 20 seasons.
Richt has 4 in 18 seasons.
Fewest losing seasons.
Richt had 1 in 18 seasons (2010 UGA).
Kelly had 2 or 4 in 18 or 20 depending on how you count the vacated win seasons.
And the fact that when his team does lose those big games... he's not getting absolutely crushed in every single one like Kelly has.
In 2012 UGA lost by Bama by 4 in the SECCG. Kelly lost by 28 in the national championship game that year. UGA also lost a Sugar Bowl by 3 under Richt.
Richt did get blown out some as well... that's why I view him as a solid coach, not a great one. But he won some of them and didn't get crushed every single time like Kelly has.
But again... you go with your guy. I don't mind watching and laughing when he's done.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:30 pm to NFLSU
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What was UGA ranked in 2018 when they lost to LSU by 20…?
#2.
It was a regular season game that UGA blew that had no impact on the season.
UGA played Bama in the SECCG with a trip to the playoff on the line if they won that game. THAT was a big game loss for UGA (by 7). The LSU game didn't have a ton of impact on the season. It was similar to UGA's loss to South Carolina in 2019. Crappy loss, but not consequential. UGA again was in the SECCG with the ability to make the playoff had they won. THAT loss to LSU was the one that mattered.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:37 pm to DawginSC
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Fewest vacated seasons for cheating.
Kelly has two vacated seasons for cheating.
Richt has zero.
Lol wut?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:38 pm to DawginSC
What was the score of the 2019 SECCG that UGA played, in Atlanta, with a chance to make the CFP?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:40 pm to NFLSU
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What was the score of the 2019 SECCG that UGA played, in Atlanta, with a chance to make the CFP?
That's out of left field.
Are you arguing that Coach O is better than Kelly?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:44 pm to DawginSC
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Top 10 finishes. Richt has 8 in 18 seasons. Kelly has 5 in 20 at the division 1 level.
Are you just making shite up? Richt has 6 seasons in the final top 10 of the AP, not 8.
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