Started By
Message
re: Spinoff Thread 2: Bama's 1st Rounders vs AU
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I need to research the two loses to Ole Miss. Might really validate my theory.
2
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:10 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
I need to research the two loses to Ole Miss. Might really validate my theory.
You should research all the losses over the last decade.
Won't take you long. Small population.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:13 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
I need to research the two loses to Ole Miss. Might really validate my theory.
Tell us about UCF.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Do you think I will see such a talent discrepancy with the other loses? We know what Clemson has and OSU and LSU were loaded. The USCe game will sting. What did Utah have?
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:28 pm to Irons Puppet
What's incredible is the upsets, of which there are few, were all to Top 25 teams. Most of them Top 10 teams.
Incredible to never, in over 100 games, slip up against a non-top 25 team.
Carolina had good players. Swearinger, Jeffrey, healthy Lattimore, Melvin Ingram, Stephon Gilmore I think.
2008 Alabama was Mike Shula players and a freshman class. 2008 and 2009 Alabama going 26-2, including 1-1 vs the Urban juggernaut, is Saban's pinnacle of pure coaching IMHO.
Incredible to never, in over 100 games, slip up against a non-top 25 team.
quote:
Do you think I will see such a talent discrepancy with the other loses. We know what Clemson has and OSU and LSU were loaded. The USCe game will sting. What did Utah have?
Carolina had good players. Swearinger, Jeffrey, healthy Lattimore, Melvin Ingram, Stephon Gilmore I think.
2008 Alabama was Mike Shula players and a freshman class. 2008 and 2009 Alabama going 26-2, including 1-1 vs the Urban juggernaut, is Saban's pinnacle of pure coaching IMHO.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I have said for the last few years that it is the most impressive thing about Saban. His teams are always in contention because they never have that head scratcher loss that even coaches like Urban and Pete Carroll almost always seem to have
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Come on, think about the talent level difference to a non-top 25 team. The would be a directional school or one the bottom feeding SEC teams. I just listed starters, think about the difference in non- starters.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:35 pm to craigbiggio
quote:
have said for the last few years that it is the most impressive thing about Saban. His teams are always in contention because they never have that head scratcher loss that even coaches like Urban and Pete Carroll almost always seem to have
It's his greatest trait IMHO.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:38 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
Come on, think about the talent level difference to a non-top 25 team. The would be a directional school or one the bottom feeding SEC teams. I just listed starters, think about the difference in non- starters.
Puppets he hasn't had a single loss to a non Top 25 team in a decade. Even you have to tip your cap to that. That's unheard of.
- Carroll lost one every other year. With those USC teams.
- Urban lost to Iowa and Purdue (badly) the last 2 years, along with VT in their title year and Ole Miss in Florida's title year. With those OSU and Florida rosters.
- Dabo lost to Pitt and Syracuse
It happens to everyone, including other HOF coaches with insano rosters.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Puppets he hasn't had a single loss to a non Top 25 team in a decade. Even you have to tip your cap to that. That's unheard of.
- Carroll lost one every other year. With those USC teams.
- Urban lost to Iowa and Purdue (badly) the last 2 years, along with VT in their title year and Ole Miss in Florida's title year. With those OSU and Florida rosters.
- Dabo lost to Pitt and Syracuse
It happens to everyone, including other HOF coaches with insano rosters.
Who could have been a threat in the SEC ? The better than average teams were in the Top 25 just based on being in the SEC. That would leave the bad Ole Miss, Ark, A&M, MSU UT, or AU teams. You followed the SEC, those bad teams those years couldn't touch what Bama had as far as talent. Impress that he accumulated the talent, but not so impressed by that stat.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:49 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
Who could have been a threat in the SEC ? The better than average teams were in the Top 25 just based on being in the SEC. That would leave the bad Ole Miss, Ark, A&M, MSU UT, or AU teams. You followed the SEC, those bad teams those years couldn't touch what Bama had as far as talent. Impress that he accumulated the talent, but not so impressed by that stat.
- Oregon State couldn't touch USCs talent
- Iowa and Purdue (and Michigan State) couldn't touch Ohio States talent
- Syracuse and Pitt couldn't touch Clemson's talent
- Iowa State couldn't touch Oklahoma's talent
That's kind of the point. The teams that can't touch the others talent still win sometimes with almost everyone else, including rosters just as loaded as Alabamas.
Its ok to admit one impressive trait about the guy and then get back to your thing. Promise.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Oregon State couldn't touch USCs talent
- Iowa and Purdue (and Michigan State) couldn't touch Ohio States talent
- Syracuse and Pitt couldn't touch Clemson's talent
- Iowa State couldn't touch Oklahoma's talent
That's kind of the point. The teams that can't touch the others talent still win sometimes with almost everyone else, including rosters just as loaded as Alabamas.
Its ok to admit one impressive trait about the guy and then get back to your thing. Promise.
I'm talking Bama. Again, the SEC non-top 25 are not very good. I bet if you checked on all those teams that you listed, there was a QB who either could throw or had a running game of his career. The SEC hasn't produced many like that, even for the good teams.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:03 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
I'm talking Bama
This argument is akin to saying Mike Trout should hit 1.000 against bad AAA level relievers. That isn't how it works. Your expectation level is beyond anyone's performance in the history of the sport.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:03 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
bet if you checked on all those teams that you listed, there was a QB who either could throw or had a running game of his career.
You are digging really deep here.
And your argument is that Alabama hadn't played a single non-top 25 team in a decade who fits your profile of reasonable losses to less talented teams?
2008 Oregon State had Lyle Moevao at QB. He went 18-28 for 167 yards and ran for -7 yards in his team's win over USC. So try again.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:06 pm to Irons Puppet
Dude what are you talking about?
You're really trying to justify this argument?
Lol George, we said that at the same time.
This is how you troll, folks
You're really trying to justify this argument?
Lol George, we said that at the same time.
This is how you troll, folks
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:10 pm to teamjackson
quote:
Lol George, we said that at the same time.
Like it's not that difficult to say "That consistency is impressive, but they still shouldn't lose a game every season and he always loses to good teams" or whatever.
He just can't do it.
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
You are digging really deep here.
And your argument is that Alabama hadn't played a single non-top 25 team in a decade who fits your profile of reasonable losses to less talented teams?
No, I am saying that Alabama hasn't played a non-top 25 team that would be considered anywhere a threat. Even if Bama played a bad game. We know about the OOC schedule. Who from the SEC over the years could have challenged Bama ?
What years did Bama face a non-top team from these SEC Programs:
LSU-
Auburn-08, 12,15,18
A&M-
aRK-
OM-
MSU-
TN-
VANDY-
What were the final records for those teams ?
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:13 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:
No, I am saying that Alabama hasn't played a non-top 25 team that would be considered anywhere a threat
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Did you see the list presented above?
Oregon State, Iowa, Purdue, Pitt, Syracuse
Hell, you were just arguing earlier today about the grind and toughness of the SEC West and now it's not even impressive to beat those juggernauts 20 of the last 21 times?
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
2008 Oregon State had Lyle Moevao at QB. He went 18-28 for 167 yards and ran for -7 yards in his team's win over USC. So try again.
That was just a theory, how about the rest.
Page 2 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News