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re: Spinoff: Greatest SEC QB without a Heisman
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:41 pm to RhodeDawg
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:41 pm to RhodeDawg
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I'll go with Matthew Stafford
Not even the best UGA QB of the last decade, IMO.
Peyton is pretty solidly the answer here but I'll throw murray's hat in the ring. One of only 2 (I think?) QBs in NCAA history to throw for 3,000 yards for 4 seasons. Set numerous UGA records and has his name on some all-time SEC lists as well.
The thing for me that separates murray from others like stafford is that he just had THAT drive, that gear to win that other QBs don't have. Shining example is the '13 auburn game. Maybe the most proud I've ever been of a UGA player in a loss before.
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Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:41 pm to RebelVol
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My pick is Peyton,
I have never been a Manning fan, but he got robbed of the Heisman.
Any other answer to this question should result in a ban.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:41 pm to Errerrerrwere
Did I say that? Of course he is. In my opinion he is the best qb to ever play the game. However, Woodson won the Heisman, his team had a great record that season, and he has backed up the trophy with a tremendous professional career. He TOO represents "everything the Heisman embodies." Not like Peyton lost to Troy Smith or some other scrub.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:42 pm to RhodeDawg
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Is this overall (College + NFL) or only college?
I meant college plus pro.
Then the answer is Manning by an ever larger margin.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:44 pm to RebelVol
David Greene Georgia.
42 career wins. Was NCAA record at the time.
11,270 yrds total off. Was NCAA record at the time.
42 career wins. Was NCAA record at the time.
11,270 yrds total off. Was NCAA record at the time.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:44 pm to RebelVol
Rex Grossman was robbed of a Heisman.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:47 pm to Tolbert1906
I was going to say Murray > Stafford in terms of college, but Murray had +1 year of performance over Stafford in terms of career #s.
However, he owns the SEC record for most passing TDs in career by significant margin as well as passing YDs. Although he threw significantly more INTs (41) than Stafford and Peyton (Peyton and Stafford the same at 33 INTs).
However, he owns the SEC record for most passing TDs in career by significant margin as well as passing YDs. Although he threw significantly more INTs (41) than Stafford and Peyton (Peyton and Stafford the same at 33 INTs).
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:50 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
I know I'm being somewhat homerish because I knew the thread would ultimately elect Peyton which is likely the right answer.
Still tho, Stafford is still playing and that allows an upside for him.
Still tho, Stafford is still playing and that allows an upside for him.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:50 pm to RebelVol
Brent Schaeffer
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:53 pm to RebelVol
Jamarcas Russel wasn't the best of all time but he had a great 2006
67% 3128 yards 26td 8 ints 167 QBR 9.7 yards per attempt
67% 3128 yards 26td 8 ints 167 QBR 9.7 yards per attempt
This post was edited on 8/15/16 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:54 pm to RhodeDawg
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Stafford is still playing and that allows an upside for him.
Stafford still playing in the NFL is irrelevant to who was a better college quarterback
Posted on 8/15/16 at 1:58 pm to lsufball19
Perhaps I read the OP wrong. I didn't realize we're talking college only.
I wouldn't have answered Stafford in that case. He only played 3 years and one of those was as a true freshman.
I wouldn't have answered Stafford in that case. He only played 3 years and one of those was as a true freshman.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 2:23 pm to lsufball19
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I'd put Eli, Peyton, Shuler, Archie, Couch, Stafford, etc over Dak. Dak was an awesome college player, but there have been a lot of awesome SEC QBs not win the Heisman
Dak was a better college player than at least half of those. His statistics are pretty insane, definitely one of the best SEC QB's to not win it. I think everyone is in agreement that the answer is Peyton, but Dak is definitely up there.
However, I will concede that it's hard as hell to compare across generations, the game has changed too much for that.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 2:26 pm to RebelVol
Kenny Trill
Posted on 8/15/16 at 2:31 pm to skirpnasty
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Dak was a better college player than at least half of those. His statistics are pretty insane
those guys put up insane numbers as well for their time. Most of those guys are traditional pro style QBs as well, so of course they're not going to have the rushing numbers Dak did. All of those guys were AAs, however, some multiple time AAs. Dak never made an AA team. You're right, the game has changed a lot and makes it difficult to compare acorss generations, which is why you can't just take Dak's numbers in a vacuum and compare them to past SEC greats
Posted on 8/15/16 at 2:41 pm to RhodeDawg
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stafford has a few years of a NFL career to go also.
Murray is a better answer. Only Peyton can come close.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 2:42 pm to RebelVol
dak 
Posted on 8/15/16 at 2:48 pm to RebelVol
Peyton had happy feet. You just can't be a Heisman winner with happy feet.
(only those who were around at the time would know this reference...it was repeated by sports media who suddenly decided that is wasn't "cool" to pick Peyton and tried to find a flaw in his game.)
(only those who were around at the time would know this reference...it was repeated by sports media who suddenly decided that is wasn't "cool" to pick Peyton and tried to find a flaw in his game.)
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