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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:13 pm to Litigator
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. I think any obstruction of the baseline iis blocking whether it is a leg, whole body, or whatever.
The fielder has the right away to the ball at all times. If the ball trailed up the line the catcher has every right to run up the baseline to receive the ball.
Its the "runner's" responsibility to avoid contact.
This is clear cut.
The catcher on this play established his position to receive the ball and was not in a "blocking" position. His left foot is not considered obstruction and the runner has a clear path to the plate by sliding through.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:15 pm to I-59 Tiger
I dont think i made judgement. 
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:16 pm to piggilicious
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i have no idea but i don't like blocking the plate being illegal.
I'd agree if you were allowed to run through the catcher, but you aren't.
An intelligent slide still would have made him easily safe
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:17 pm to Pigfeet
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The fielder has the right away to the ball at all times.
No
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Its the "runner's" responsibility to avoid contact.
No
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This is clear cut.
No
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The catcher on this play established his position to receive the ball and was not in a "blocking" position. His left foot is not considered obstruction and the runner has a clear path to the plate by sliding through.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:20 pm to Breesy9
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agree if you were allowed to run through the catcher, but you aren't.
I didn't explain myself well at all evidently because yes what you said is what I meant - both should be legal.
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:22 pm to Pigfeet
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The fielder has the right away to the ball at all times. If the ball trailed up the line the catcher has every right to run up the baseline to receive the ball.
Its the "runner's" responsibility to avoid contact.
I don't think either of these assertions is true in general or specifically with relation to the home plate specific rules.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:22 pm to therick711
It's not, just search obstruction in the rule book
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:27 pm to Litigator
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I understand that to mean that he really couldn't have made the catch unless he had to obstruct the baseline to make it. That would normally apply where a throw comes in from left field and the catcher had to get into the baseline to catch the ball (or on some throws at least).
Here I don't think the catcher had the ball in his possession at the time the blocking occurred and he could have caught the ball without obstructing the baseline so the runner should be ruled safe.
You actually read the rule unlike most on here. I do disagree with you though, especially this part. A throw from literally anywhere on the field can be "off" and draw the catcher to epithet side of the plate. As for possession, he had possession and applied the tag. Call should have been out, but it wasn't and every ump makes bad calls in every game. We were just fortunate on this one.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:30 pm to Breesy9
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Collision Rule SECTION 7. The rules committee is concerned about unnecessary and violent collisions with the catcher at home plate, and with infielders at all bases. The RULE 8 / Base Running 81 intent of this rule is to encourage base runners and defensive players to avoid such collisions whenever possible.
When there is a collision between a runner and a fielder who clearly is in possession of the ball, the umpire shall judge:
If the defensive player blocks the base (plate) or base line with clear possession of the ball, the runner may make contact, slide into or make contact with a fielder as long as the runner is making a legitimate attempt to reach the base (plate). Contact above the waist that was initiated by the base runner shall not be judged as an attempt to reach the base or plate.
1) The runner must make an actual attempt to reach the base (plate).
PENALTY—If the runner attempts to dislodge the ball or initiates an avoidable collision, the runner shall be declared out, even if the fielder loses possession of the ball. The ball is dead and all other base runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the collision.
2) The runner may not attempt to dislodge the ball from the fielder. Contact above the waist shall be judged by the umpire as an attempt by the runner to dislodge the ball.
PENALTY—If the contact is flagrant or malicious before the runner touches the plate, the runner shall be declared out and also ejected from the contest. The ball is immediately dead and all other base runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the collision.
3) The runner must attempt to avoid a collision if he can reach the base without colliding.
PENALTY—If the contact is flagrant or malicious after the runner touches the base (plate), the runner is safe, but is ejected from the contest. The ball is immediately dead and all other base runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the interference. If this occurs at any base other than home, the offending team may replace the runner.
If the contact occurs after a preceding runner touches home plate, the preceding runner is safe. The ball is immediately dead and all other base runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the contact.
4) If the runner’s path to the base is blocked and (1), (2) and (3) are fulfilled, it is considered unavoidable contact (see Rule 2-54, Obstruction).
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Obstruction
SECTION 55. The act of a fielder who, while not in possession of or in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
See specific rule sections for action to be taken: catcher (8-2-e); fielder (8-2-e, f and h, 8-3-e, f and g); visual obstruction (8-3-f).
Type 1 Obstruction: When obstruction by a fielder is committed against a runner on which a play is being made, the umpire shall call “That’s obstruction” while pointing at the obstruction and then signal and call “Time.” The ball is dead immediately. All runners shall be awarded bases they would have reached had there been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond his last legally touched base before the obstruction.
Type 2 Obstruction: The second type of obstruction deals with cases when a runner is obstructed while no play is being made on him. This obstruction is to be signaled by the umpire by pointing at the obstruction and calling, “That’s obstruction.” The ball is NOT dead. The umpire shall allow play to continue until all action has ceased and then call “Time” and impose such penalties that will nullify the act of obstruction.
A.R. 1 If the fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the throw, he may be considered “in the act of fielding the ball.”
A.R. 2 When a fielder has made an attempt to field a batted or thrown ball, has missed and is in pursuit of the ball, he may no longer be considered “in the act” of fielding.
A.R. 3 After a fielder has misplayed a batted ball and the ball is “within a step and a reach” the fielder is still considered “in the act.”
A.R. 4 On a pickoff play at any base, the defensive player must clearly have possession of the ball before blocking the base with any part of the defensive player’s body. The umpire will call “That’s obstruction” and then signal and call “Time.” The ball is dead immediately, and the runner being played on is awarded one base beyond the last base he had attained before the obstruction
Ok, fellas, without having reviewed it, I believe this is the rule. Have fun.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:50 pm to Breesy9
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No
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A.R. 1 If the fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the throw, he may be considered “in the act of fielding the ball.”
Learn how to baseball
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:54 pm to Pigfeet
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Learn how to baseball
Are you retarded?
Your quote:
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The fielder has the right away to the ball at all times.
The rule book:
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A.R. 4 If a fielder has a chance to field a batted ball, but misplays it and must chase after the ball, the fielder must avoid the runner. If contact occurs, obstruction shall be called.
Pretty clear that it is not at all times. Learn how to read. Furthermore, how can a player have a clear path to the base if he has to slide through?
Even then, from what you quoted, the word must is a pretty high burden for the player receiving the ball. Blocking the plate or coming into contact with the runner was not necessary in order for him to field the throw
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:08 pm to lsuag88
It's really pretty simple. If the catcher has the ball, it is not obstruction for him to block the path to the plate. If the catcher is in the process of fielding the ball, it is not obstruction for him to block the path to the plate.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:12 pm to Pigfeet
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so he must occupy his position to receive the throw
It all boils down to this. He could have been 1' closer to the mound and received the throw. Instead he planted his leg in the base path or close enough to where the ump thought it was obstruction.
In my opinion it could have went either way.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:21 pm to Puck82
Here is a good video on it
LINK
From the guidance they received:
Should be noted that the example included, the ball is coming down the 3rd basepath.
Just like the ump says in this video, the UF's catcher moving his foot makes it obstruction
From another SEC game:
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LINK
From the guidance they received:
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The defensive player may not, while awaiting the throw, redirect or reroute the runner, block the base, and then receive the throw after making contact with the runner
Should be noted that the example included, the ball is coming down the 3rd basepath.
Just like the ump says in this video, the UF's catcher moving his foot makes it obstruction
From another SEC game:
LINK
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:36 pm to Breesy9
You're really going to argue the throw caused his foot to stick out?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:38 pm to lsuag88
He definitely blocked the plate
Posted on 5/26/16 at 5:44 pm to Breesy9
Runner could have avoided contact based on those pictures. Should have thrown him out of the game.
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