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Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:19 pm to Opry
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:19 pm to Opry
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SMU in the playoffs sounds like a joke. Its hard to even comprehend.
They are actually pretty good imo. Lots of speed and a solid QB. I think they will give Clemson a good game.
If they don't give Clemson a good game, Alabama should get in.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:19 pm to nicholastiger
They could have just put SMU at 11 and moved everyone up. Then they would be in a situation with the B12 winner getting in that they'd know if they lose to Clemson that they would steal their bid. So unnecessary to make them fall out for losing a championship game while others are sitting at home and make people argue about it all off-season.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:23 pm to Scoper
The committee has all but said they will not punish teams for playing in conference championship games.
Although in 2023, they passed over UGA who probably was one of the best 4 teams in the country.
At 12 teams, they have the latitude to ignore a conference championship loss.
3 loss teams, will not get in over SMU.
Although in 2023, they passed over UGA who probably was one of the best 4 teams in the country.
At 12 teams, they have the latitude to ignore a conference championship loss.
3 loss teams, will not get in over SMU.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:25 pm to AlterDWI
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What would SMU’s best win be in that situation?
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Duke
Duke is ranked lower in FPI and Sagarin than Oklahoma.
Are you saying SMU’s BEST win is over a team that is worse than Oklahoma? Wow. Their schedule really did suck.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:08 pm to Scoper
Alabama and it’s not close. SMU hasn’t beaten anyone as good as Bama’s worst loss. And they certainly haven’t beaten anyone close to as good as Bama’s 4 best wins
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:14 pm to Scoper
I think Valdosta State should get in. They haven't lost a game yet. Didn't even get the opportunity to play a Top 25ish team like SMU will have 2 times. No bad losses. That's what matters.
Frankly, it's ridiculous that SMU could get in with 2 losses and Mount Union isn't invited. Mount Union is 10-0. No bad losses. No losses at all. They didn't even get a chance to play a borderline Top 25 team like SMU did.
Frankly, it's ridiculous that SMU could get in with 2 losses and Mount Union isn't invited. Mount Union is 10-0. No bad losses. No losses at all. They didn't even get a chance to play a borderline Top 25 team like SMU did.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If SMU gets in with 2 losses to borderline Top 25 teams why the hell isn't Army under serious consideration? They've obliterated everyone they have played other than Notre Dame.
Only loss is to a Top 6 team. Average margin of victory of almost 20 points. Won 9 of 11 games by double digits. Won 8 of 11 games by 3 scores. Only 1 loss.
Their SOS (#100) is closer to SMU (#75) than SMU is to Alabama (#17) or Georgia (#3).
Seems like a bit of a double standard. SMU getting preferential treatment for having "ACC" next to their name while in reality their schedule is much more similar to Army's American schedule than an SEC or even B1G schedule.
Only loss is to a Top 6 team. Average margin of victory of almost 20 points. Won 9 of 11 games by double digits. Won 8 of 11 games by 3 scores. Only 1 loss.
Their SOS (#100) is closer to SMU (#75) than SMU is to Alabama (#17) or Georgia (#3).
Seems like a bit of a double standard. SMU getting preferential treatment for having "ACC" next to their name while in reality their schedule is much more similar to Army's American schedule than an SEC or even B1G schedule.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:24 pm to Scoper
If Notre Dame and Indiana are in then SMU is in. I'm not as crazed a ND hater as everyone else is, but if they don't have to risk it all over n a CCG then nobody else should.
Moot point anyway, SMU is going to beat Clemson
Moot point anyway, SMU is going to beat Clemson
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:25 pm to Scoper
If SMU wins, Bama is in
If Clemson wins by 2 plus scores, I think Bama is in
If Clemson wins close, it's going to be a controversial decision.
If Clemson wins by 2 plus scores, I think Bama is in
If Clemson wins close, it's going to be a controversial decision.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:28 pm to Che Boludo
Per ESPN SOS SMU's strength of schedule improved 6 spots from last year, from #81 to #75. They were in a G5 league last year (American) and are in a P4 league this year (ACC). And their OOC schedule improved this year from last, meaning in reality their conference SoS was basically exactly the same.
They have to feel frickin hosed.
They have to feel frickin hosed.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:29 pm to Scoper
The people that finance this playoff learned a valuable lesson the last time they put a small private school from Texas into the playoffs over Alabama.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They have to feel frickin hosed.
Except when that end of year ACC revenue distribution comes out.
But, yes, you'd think a jump to P5 would have been a bigger boost to SoS
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:32 pm to Che Boludo
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Except when that end of year ACC revenue distribution comes out.
Except they don't get that for the first 9 years because they basically paid the ACC to let them in for the first few years.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If SMU gets in with 2 losses to borderline Top 25 teams why the hell isn't Army under serious consideration?
Sagarin Ratings
10 SMU 86.13
63 Army 71.75
It's honestly really impressive for SMU to be rated that high.. Indiana is currently #11. Early on in the season, Sagarin isn't great because it has some of last years ratings mixed in.. but late in the season, I think it's solid.
But to that point, SMU will take a hit in the polls with a loss, and SMU is already behind Alabama in the Computers.. so Alabama will get in.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:38 pm to BigBro
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Sagarin Ratings
10 SMU 86.13
63 Army 71.75
And a host of other metrics, but if your argument is 2-loss SMU deserves in over Alabama (or Ole Miss) you've already moved on from those because they sharply disagree with you. The arguments are about avoiding bad losses, # of losses and performance in the games you played (regardless of opponent).
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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And a host of other metrics, but if your argument is 2-loss SMU deserves in over Alabama (or Ole Miss) you've already moved on from those because they sharply disagree with you. The arguments are about avoiding bad losses and # of losses.
As a football fan, I'd rather Alabama get in as I'd rather watch them on TV.
As a fan of underdogs, I'd rather SMU get in.
Alabama is clearly a more talented team.. I'd rather face SMU all day long.
But my whole argument for SMU is simple.. If there were no CCG's, SMU would be in the playoffs as of today. If they lose to Clemson, should they be penalized for playing an extra game? If the answer is yes, then SMU should have declined the ACC invite.. and that is where we are headed.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:43 pm to BigBro
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But my whole argument for SMU is simple.. If there were no CCG's, SMU would be in the playoffs as of today. If they lose to Clemson, should they be penalized for playing an extra game? If the answer is yes, then SMU should have declined the ACC invite.. and that is where we are headed.
I agree with this argument, which is why ranking them as high as the committee did this week seemed so ridiculous. For one, they should not have been that high. For two, they are just setting themselves up for it if SMU loses an extra game and they drop them 5 spots or whatever it is.
As others have said, it's almost like the committee is doing performative combative art to get engagement or something.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:45 pm to Freight Joker
Like we were suppose to beat Oklahoma ?
I have zero confidence in QB 1 to play 2 or 3 consistent games back to back at this point. He has become a turnover machine. You never know what
version will show up. It is what it is.
I have zero confidence in QB 1 to play 2 or 3 consistent games back to back at this point. He has become a turnover machine. You never know what
version will show up. It is what it is.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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agree with this argument, which is why ranking them as high as the committee did this week seemed so ridiculous. For one, they should not have been that high.
As your other topic discussed, the committee didn't do much of anything.. they just used a BCS type of ratings system with some small adjustments..
SMU
AP 8th
Coaches 7th
Computers 7th
Committee 8th
Alabama
AP 11
Coaches 11
Computers 10
Committee 11
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:56 pm to Freight Joker
Yes, Bama would bring bigger ratings, but the real reason they should go before smu coming off a loss is the actual schedule each played.
If you aren't undefeated and have 0 wins over any top 25 teams, it's bizarre to even argue you belong in the playoff.
If you aren't undefeated and have 0 wins over any top 25 teams, it's bizarre to even argue you belong in the playoff.
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